Utd - Liverpool post match

[calvoboy]

In the previous thread, people were arguing that we were going backwards...

I'm not sure that we are going backwards. Whenever you get a new manager you have a period of uncertainty where players aren't sure of their roles, and the manager isn't sure how to get the best out of the players. When Rafa took over, we conceded some soft goals from zonal marking while the players got used to it (until Pellegrino came and sorted it IIRC), and we're conceding soft ones now from man-marking while the players get used to it.

Similarly, it's clear that the players aren't yet used to the patterns of play that Roy wants. We are playing some good stuff in spells, but at times are looking totally lost. I'm not sure this is going backwards though - to me it looks like just a transitional phase while we adapt to a new manager with new ideas.

The league at the moment is meaningless. If we are still in the bottom half in 6 games time, then I'll start to worry. But at the moment we've played City and United Away, Arsenal at home, and Birmingham are a tough side to beat at St Andrews too. By contrast Chelsea have beaten the might of West Ham, West Brom, Wigan and Stoke before today's formality against Blackpool.

We need to win our next two home games, against Sunderland and Blackpool, and hopefully build from there. It's far too soon to be making some of the ridiculous comments that some have made on here though, regardless of our disappointment at losing to THEM.

I'm worried that Roy seems to think that Skrtel is better than Agger, and I hope he never, ever, plays Poulsen and Lucas together at CM again, but otherwise, I think we should give him the time to develop his side.

[wiw]

So does anyone now agree with me that this team can get relegated without Torres and Gerrard?

No

You're essentially saying the difference between 2nd and relegation is Xabi Alonso. Is it ****

[JohnDoe]

So does anyone now agree with me that this team can get relegated without Torres and Gerrard?

[chadrtc]

more of the same really

more of the same from the players

more of the same from the manager

more of the same to follow on here

i think that sums everything up really.

Fair.

I don't think Howard Webb had to bad a game though, he got all the big decisions right. O'shea's wasn't a red as Torres wasn't going to get the ball, we scored from the free kick so justice was done. The penalty was the correct decision, my only bone of contention is that Nani should've been booked for diving.

[wiw]

Roy away from home in the Prem :

played 76, won 12, drawn 27, lost 37

Depressing reading

[wiw]

i spose it's fortunate that spurs and city aren't doing as well as expected, and we're still not far off 4th, but it's no excuse for us to be playing dire football. a win and a draw at this point is poor form. and that's all. especially when you consider we've barely deserved the points we do have and that man city are attacking and so are tottenham. if things remain as they are it's only a matter of time before teams playing better football than us really start to put some distance between us and them.

Fair points, but on the other hand, I think we're playing our way into form a bit.

Given another month or two, what's to say that after a few easier games, we won't have gained a lot of ground on the other teams?

We've now played City, United, and Brum away. Yes our tally of points from these is frankly ****e but they're out of the way regardless

[Rudo]

Ratings:

Reina - 5
Johnson - 3
Carra - 4
Skrtel - 5
Konchesky - 4
Maxi - 2
Gerrard - 7
Poulsen - 7
Cole - 5
Meireles - 6
Torres - 5

[Havors]

someone needs to take liverpool back to its roots and back to basics! pass and move doesnt seem to be in the players vocabulary these days. the movement off the ball is shocking and there too much dead wood in the squad for my liking.

[BobTheCharmer]

Utd players in order of preference that you'd like to **** repeatedly:-

1) Nani
2) Vidic
3) Rooney
4) Scholes
5) Berbatov
6) Macheda
7) Evra
8) Fletcher
9) Van der Sar
10) Giggs
11) O'Shea

In fact the whole cunting lot of them lined up and shot in the legs.

[Dalglish]

Roy away from home in the Prem :

played 76, won 12, drawn 27, lost 37

[little dave hedgehog]

i spose it's fortunate that spurs and city aren't doing as well as expected, and we're still not far off 4th, but it's no excuse for us to be playing dire football. a win and a draw at this point is poor form. and that's all. especially when you consider we've barely deserved the points we do have and that man city are attacking and so are tottenham. if things remain as they are it's only a matter of time before teams playing better football than us really start to put some distance between us and them.

[CJ]

more of the same really

more of the same from the players

more of the same from the manager

more of the same to follow on here

i think that sums everything up really.

[wiw]

The other thread is getting a bit big, late-comers don't want to wade through 15 pages to find the post-match stuff, so please continue in here