Much as I love Rafa, lets not forget he visited Scum and studied their training sessions when cutting his teeth as a coach. He said many good things about ginsoak IIRC. Thankfully once he was at Liverpool he realised what a cunt purplenose is.
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I know he may not care. But whether he cared or not, his "Rant" back fired spectacularly and gave Fergie the edge in his team talks and provided the Old Trafford crowd fresh impetus when it was getting to the point they thought they had blown it.Originally posted by NigelLG View PostRafa doesn't care for credibility with the press. He was simply making a point about how no one was questioning the drivel Ferguson was on and the pressure he puts on referees, which was (and still is) detrimental to the game. Nothing more.
The whole 'lost the plot', 'lost the league' or whatever quote I've seen because of his rant doesn't make him look a fool at all. There needed someone to stand up and he did it.
I don't think it had any effect on our players, nor the refs who it was aimed at. But it had a positive effect on man Utd as a club. And that was why it failed.Forwards.......
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I doubt the 'rant' had any impact on results. The key for me is that it had no impact on anything, other than Rafa's general credibility. The prepared bit of paper, choosing a live press conference, it was all just wrong and somewhat cringeworthy IMO. Rafa was far more effective when being sarcastic and coy. If he'd done a print interview with the same content it would have come across in a far more calm and cold way and would probably have been more effective.Trey Nyoni: countdown to stardom-2 years1year0.5 years
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United didn't need impetuous, they were already in a good run at the time, it didn't make a difference to any results.Originally posted by DannyMan2006 View PostI know he may not care. But whether he cared or not, his "Rant" back fired spectacularly and gave Fergie the edge in his team talks and provided the Old Trafford crowd fresh impetus when it was getting to the point they thought they had blown it.
I don't think it had any effect on our players, nor the refs who it was aimed at. But it had a positive effect on man Utd as a club. And that was why it failed.
It was good to see there was one person who was not scared of standing up to Mr Ferguson.
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Absolutely. Rafa did not give a **** about Mr. Ferguson in one way but in another, he knew that if he was going to get us back on top again, he was never going to be Ferguson's friend.
And I fully believe that Roy needs to realise that his "friend" Ferguson is now anything but and to immediately stand up to the cunt. I'm unbeliveably disappointed with his failure to do this and with the awful defeatist claptrap about "losing more games that people will expect us to win" but ****ing eaking out a result where it's not expected. My willingness to be optimistic about him has taken a massive dent this last week. That sort of **** is way the wrong side of realism.Felching ≠ Gerbilling
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What do I think? Well my money is on your being a WUM as only Scum fans call the **** Ferguson the respectful "SAF"Originally posted by reds123 View PostAfter Torres being labeled a cheat by SAF, should Roy defend Torres in his next press conference?
I mean he should say that Torres wasn't play acting (infact he wasn't), be sarcastic saying that Nani should be given an oscar for his actions last sunday...
Mourinho, Wenger, Rafa, even Alex ferguson defend their players all the time.
What do you think?
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It wasn't a ****ing rant. Have a word with yourselfOriginally posted by DannyMan2006 View PostThe "Rant" made him look a complete and utter fool. It gave Man Utd as a club the belief and impetus that Rafa was indeed "cracking up" and Fergie used it as a motivating tactic for his squad.
The "Rant" served no purpose what so ever other than aiding the opposition and as such was mis judged and mis calculated.
Don't get me worng, everything Rafa said was spot on. But to think the people who were listening would care was just insane. If Rafa had already won the title and had a bit more credability in the English game that "Rant" would have been fine.
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The FACT that Rafa wasn't banned for a few games after his fact talk only proved that Fergie had been allowed to visit the ref in the refs locker room at half time in the games and that the FA knew what was going on but didn't give a **** about it.
If that fact talk made it impossible for Fergie to continue to do that then it will go down as one of the best talks in the PL ever because it cleaned up the game at least a little bit.Stop the cyberhate

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Originally posted by reds123 View PostAfter Torres being labeled a cheat by SAF, should Roy defend Torres in his next press conference?
I mean he should say that Torres wasn't play acting (infact he wasn't), be sarcastic saying that Nani should be given an oscar for his actions last sunday...
Mourinho, Wenger, Rafa, even Alex ferguson defend their players all the time.
What do you think?
Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson hits back at Sir Alex Ferguson's 'inflammatory little digs'
By Rory Smith
Published: 11:00PM BST 24 Sep 2010
Roy Hodgson on Friday launched an impassioned defence of Fernando Torres by dismissing Sir Alex Ferguson's suggestion that the striker had attempted to cheat during Liverpool's defeat at Old Trafford as one of his "inflammatory little digs".
In the immediate aftermath of Manchester United's 3-2 victory last Sunday, Ferguson accused Torres of trying to get John O'Shea dismissed for the foul which led to Steven Gerrard's second goal, claiming the Spaniard "made a meal" of the tackle.
Hodgson, the Liverpool manager, said he did not respond to Ferguson's insinuation last Sunday as he felt doing so would have been "insulting people's intelligence".
But on Friday he made clear his disdain for the comments, suggesting Ferguson may have been trying to distract from Nani's burgeoning reputation for gamesmanship.
"Sir Alex is a good friend of mine and he knows how to use the mass media," Hodgson said. "He has used it very well there and he might have used it to deflect from Nani who, certainly on one or two occasions, was playing for fouls, so I am not concerned about it at all.
"Fernando Torres is not a cheat. He is a very respected player, he is strong and takes players on, he is not easy to stop and he is going to get fouls, as he did for our equalising goal at Old Trafford. There is no danger of us cheating.
"For me, it was one of Alex's inflammatory little digs to make his victory even sweeter and our defeat even harder, and that is part of the game."
That defeat, of course, was followed by an embarrassing setback on Wednesday night, as Hodgson's reserves were dumped out of the Carling Cup by League Two side Northampton Town.
Hodgson will make 11 changes to that side for Sunderland's visit to Anfield on Saturday and is determined his first-choice players should not feel any further pressure to atone for the errors of their understudies.
Instead, he insists, he is the only one with anything to prove.
"I told the players it was a bad moment for the club which was of my own making, but it had nothing to do with them," he said.
"They cannot take responsibility because they were not even on the bench.
"Why should the pressure transfer on to them? Wednesday had nothing to do with the players who will play on Satu and I don't think their confidence or perception will change one iota."
However that team fare, attention once the game is over will switch to the stands, where the Spirit of Shankly supporters' union is planning a sit-in protest at the continued ownership of Tom Hicks and George Gillett.
Supporters have been encouraged to remain in their seats beyond the final whistle to voice their displeasure at the Americans to encourage the Royal Bank of Scotland, the bank which holds the club's £282 million debt, not to allow Hicks to refinance those loans and extend his stay at Anfield.
Hodgson said: "I would be very happy if the ownership situation was clarified. It is a major issue for a group of people who are anti the owners and the people who are trying to solve the situation.
"It does not help but it is often the case that when things are conspiring against you there is always an extra thing to come in and make it that little bit worse."
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"Sir Alex is a good friend of mine and he knows how to use the mass media," Hodgson said.
"He has used it very well there and he might have used it to deflect from Nani who, certainly on one or two occasions, was playing for fouls, so I am not concerned about it at all.
"Fernando Torres is not a cheat.
He is a very respected player, he is strong and takes players on, he is not easy to stop and he is going to get fouls, as he did for our equalising goal at Old Trafford. There is no danger of us cheating.
"For me, it was one of Alex's inflammatory little digs to make his victory even sweeter and our defeat even harder, and that is part of the game."
I reckon that's a closed thread then..
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