Liverpool vs Sunderland post match

[Neil Young]

So fourth has now become "fourth or fifth," has it?

[RedReet]

what i dont get is people who really wanted rafa out now defend this.

why could you not defend rafa but can defend this?

The funny thing is, people were calling for his head even when we were top of the league.

Bizarre.

[Shaggy]

What about this?!

Liverpool have one win in six Premier League games this season but that is not their crisis. Exiting the Carling Cup at home to Northampton is not their crisis either. Roy Hodgson might have been going too far when he said afterwards that "I cannot see the drama" of that defeat but, equally, winning the Carling Cup and the FA Cup wouldn't solve Liverpool's problems.

[Pablo]

He hasn't done himself any favours at all with his recent post match interviews. He's lost all perspective. He doesn't seem to understand us Liverpool fans at all

[dww]

I think there is an element of the fact that we do have to cut our cloth according to our current resources - which is are those of a UEFA cup team. The problem is that he doesn't even seem as positive about our chances as other managers in similar positions or to take our problems as seriously as say Moyes does those of Everton. I'd forgive him the Northampton comments if they were in the context of something less excuse ridden about our abject PL form.

[Roboklopp]

I really tried to put aside my sentiments for Rafa when we appointed Roy, but Reading stuff like that is so much worse than Rafa guaranteeing 4th place.

Where the **** is our dead cat bounce from his leadership. I really am struggling to see how I could manage us worse. At least I'd pit some fire in their bellies.

[red g]

He hasn't done himself any favours at all with his recent post match interviews. He's lost all perspective. He doesn't seem to understand us Liverpool fans at all

oh come on Pablo, don't bring the mood down....at least we ended the week on a high

[Shaggy]

Someone posted in the match thread yesterday that the Radio City comms had referred to an incident when someone in the Paddock shouted something at Roy and Roy turned round and said something back. This is from another forum:

The fella was telling Roy to get the players going and play with more passion, Roy turned round and said what can I do

or ?

[SimonNo7]

That is Roys best team (well seen as he refuses to start Agger it is)

That side included 4 players Roy had signed plus 3 WORLD CLASS players. He cant hide behind Rafa Benitez imo

He played 4-4-2 AGAIN which is we dont have the personnel to play

I don't see why we can't attempt to play 4-4-1-1, I know we don't have the proper wide men but then we haven't had for years. Having said that I don't see why Cole and Kuyt can't be those players for now (even though I really do not think Kuyt is a RM)

He plays Meireles out of position in this 4-4-2

He plays Gerrard in midfield again a man who has scored nearly 60 goals in the previous 3 seasons from a position just off the striker

Again, why not try 4-4-1-1 with Gerrard just behind Torres as it should be.

We were gifted a goal so this result was more fortunate than a hard won point

We also had a perfectly good goal chalked off so swings and roundabouts here I think

We lack discipline, organisation and commitment. We have absolutely no shape and we are playing far too deep

We've lacked discipline, organisation and commitment for quite a while now and not just this season. We have also not had shape and been far too static for some time now, again not just this season. I agree we are playing to deep.

Sunderland had more possession than US

I don't think this overly matters, its what you do with it that counts (which we are obviously not doing enough with ours at the moment and didn't do last season when we had more than a lot of teams.

We looked to lump the ball constantly, we didnt pass the ball on the ground and when we did it lacked incisiveness

Again this isn't the first season we've been like this. We lack urgency in our play and whether we do it with short pass and move or a more direct approach (ie hoof) a'la Alonso, that is what is missing.

I just dont see it improving if anything you could argue we have gotten worse

But maybe it has to get worse before it gets better, you know hitting rock bottom. I do think Roy is a good manager and that it will take some time to instill his methods into the players and change their mindsets but I can't say I am happy with what I'm seeing so far, it has to improve soon as he gets to know the players better.

[Arn]

Someone posted in the match thread yesterday that the Radio City comms had referred to an incident when someone in the Paddock shouted something at Roy and Roy turned round and said something back. This is from another forum:



or ?

If that is true then he almost admits that he lost the dressing room.

[Lecter]

If you are talking about Torres' goal I think it was offside myself

[red g]

If that is true then he almost admits that he lost the dressing room.

I honestly doubt the validity to be honest. Roy is getting beaten with a ****ty stick from all over.

[Shaggy]

I honestly doubt the validity to be honest. Roy is getting beaten with a ****ty stick from all over.

The lad who posted it is as safe as houses and sits right by there.

[Lecter]

That is Roys best team (well seen as he refuses to start Agger it is)

That side included 4 players Roy had signed plus 3 WORLD CLASS players. He cant hide behind Rafa Benitez imo

He played 4-4-2 AGAIN which is we dont have the personnel to play

I don't see why we can't attempt to play 4-4-1-1, I know we don't have the proper wide men but then we haven't had for years. Having said that I don't see why Cole and Kuyt can't be those players for now (even though I really do not think Kuyt is a RM)

He plays Meireles out of position in this 4-4-2

He plays Gerrard in midfield again a man who has scored nearly 60 goals in the previous 3 seasons from a position just off the striker

Again, why not try 4-4-1-1 with Gerrard just behind Torres as it should be.

We were gifted a goal so this result was more fortunate than a hard won point

We also had a perfectly good goal chalked off so swings and roundabouts here I think

We lack discipline, organisation and commitment. We have absolutely no shape and we are playing far too deep

We've lacked discipline, organisation and commitment for quite a while now and not just this season. We have also not had shape and been far too static for some time now, again not just this season. I agree we are playing to deep.

Sunderland had more possession than US

I don't think this overly matters, its what you do with it that counts (which we are obviously not doing enough with ours at the moment and didn't do last season when we had more than a lot of teams.

We looked to lump the ball constantly, we didnt pass the ball on the ground and when we did it lacked incisiveness

Again this isn't the first season we've been like this. We lack urgency in our play and whether we do it with short pass and move or a more direct approach (ie hoof) a'la Alonso, that is what is missing.

I just dont see it improving if anything you could argue we have gotten worse

But maybe it has to get worse before it gets better, you know hitting rock bottom. I do think Roy is a good manager and that it will take some time to instill his methods into the players and change their mindsets but I can't say I am happy with what I'm seeing so far, it has to improve soon as he gets to know the players better.

disagree about the Torres goal thought it was offside

Again I think we were organised under Rafa and we certainly played less longballs than we do now, at least it wasnt central to outr tactics like it is under Roy

Things wont improve under Roy, I watched the match yesterday with a bluenose who has no axe to grind and who has been saying give him time

Even he said times up

[Havors]

I think we have to wait until after this october deadline, get a good idea of whats going to happen.. i.e. new owners, bank taking control, admistration (hopefully not). Then we can get rid of a guy who is so far out of his depth and so far behind the times its bordering on the rediculous, and bring in someone like O'Niell.

And you can slag the guy off all you want and he can rub people up the wrong way but he has got bags of charisma and makes people listen to him. He wont have any trouble giving the players a kick up the arse and getting us playing better football.

Either him or wait til mourinho gets sacked from real at the end ot the season haha