Liverpool vs Sunderland post match

[Bender]

change has to be made now before it's too late.....i was all for giving roy time but it's not working out at all ..........

[Shaggy]

O'Neill would be out of the frying pan and into the fire. I couldn't stand that.

As for better football, I was talking to my Villa mate about Houllier's one-dimensional, basic style of play, and he said "It cannot be any more one-dimensional and basic than Martin's style", and he loved MON.

[Bender]

O'Neill would be out of the frying pan and into the fire. I couldn't stand that.

As for better football, I was talking to my Villa mate about Houllier's one-dimensional, basic style of play, and he said "It cannot be any more one-dimensional and basic than Martin's style", and he loved MON.

the few options would be
O'neil
Dalglish[board go begging to him]
Rafa[board go crawling to him]including several fans me included
And nobody else would want to come to the club in it's current situation

[Arn]

I honestly doubt the validity to be honest. Roy is getting beaten with a ****ty stick from all over.

I doubt that it's valid myself. Not even Roy would be stupid enough to say a thing like that.

The problem is that as soon as Kenny declared that he wanted the job then any other manager would get a very difficult time proving to the fans and the players that he is the right man for the job.

How many of the players wanted Roy instead of Kenny? How many fans wanted Roy instead of Kenny?

What did our captain think about it? Roy instead of Kenny?

It don't take that much in circumstances like that for a manager to lose the dressing room because the players know that if Roy get sacked then it will most probably be Kenny that takes over. The man most of them probably wanted in the first place. It don't takes that much before he lost the support from the fans because they know that Kenny would probably replace Roy, again the man they wanted in the first place.

It was a stupid decision by our board to even consider someone else as soon as Kenny said that he wanted the job.

[Roboklopp]

If that is true then he almost admits that he lost the dressing room.

If that's true so quick did he ever have it?

[red g]

The lad who posted it is as safe as houses and sits right by there.

in that case and

that really is a disgraceful thing to do.

Every action he is taking is riling me more and more

[red g]

If that's true so quick did he ever have it?

It all depens on how true the reports of Rafa losing the dressing room were?

Personally i think the players were happy to get a new manager in and surely the likes of Carra and Gerrard had allready spoken to Murphy to about Roy, this will have been then passd on to purslow.

But then it seems to me, he has outdated methods and I very much doubt if he has the same attention to detail Rafa had. While Rafa knew everything about the opposition and ensured we went out to nulify them.......we seem to have the same formation week in, week out with no respect to the oppostion.

Its easy to lose the dressing room when you are making such basic errors as he is doing week in, week out.

[RichC]

change has to be made now before it's too late.....i was all for giving roy time but it's not working out at all ..........

I can see your point but for who? Anyone who wants to work with those american ****ers needs a lobotomy to be honest!

IMO we're stuck with Roy until someone new takes over (prays for October!) just can't see any change until then!

[SimonNo7]

disagree about the Torres goal thought it was offside

Again I think we were organised under Rafa and we certainly played less longballs than we do now, at least it wasnt central to outr tactics like it is under Roy

Things wont improve under Roy, I watched the match yesterday with a bluenose who has no axe to grind and who has been saying give him time

Even he said times up

I thought he was in line with the defender myself in which case you are supposed to give the attacker the advantage.

The thing is here, this is two games we have come out of the starting blocks quickly, this game and that dreadful one against Northampton, and taken an early lead. Now one of the things that worries me most is something that has been going on for some time now and that is the seeming mentality of the players that once they have gone a goal up that's it, job done. This isn't down to Roy but Roy does have to instill into them that when they go a goal up that it is either still 0-0 or even better than that we need to score again and kill the game off.

[red g]

I can see your point but for who? Anyone who wants to work with those american ****ers needs a lobotomy to be honest!

IMO we're stuck with Roy until someone new takes over (prays for October!) just can't see any change until then!

its true, unless Kenny takes it in a caretaker role.

Which would make most sense to be honest.

[Kenneth]

change has to be made now before it's too late.....i was all for giving roy time but it's not working out at all ..........

Too late for what? We're not going to be qualifying for the CL anytime soon, whoever is boss. Don't see the point getting rid of Roy while the other problems remain.

[RichC]

its true, unless Kenny takes it in a caretaker role.

Which would make most sense to be honest.

I'd be happy with the King coming in as the caretaker, would certainly give the players and the fans a lift -thing is this would be an almighty admission of getting it wrong from Broughton and Purslow and I can't see them doing this

One thing I will say was being at the game yesterday the lack of noise coming from us was worrying - we really need a shot in the arm in terms of getting back behind the boys, listening to someone shouting at Johnson saying he's ****ing **** and get your hair cut as he receives the ball is not the Liverpool way, far too many get on the players back rather than encourage them to push on

[Neil Young]

I thought he was in line with the defender myself in which case you are supposed to give the attacker the advantage.

The thing is here, this is two games we have come out of the starting blocks quickly, this game and that dreadful one against Northampton, and taken an early lead. Now one of the things that worries me most is something that has been going on for some time now and that is the seeming mentality of the players that once they have gone a goal up that's it, job done. This isn't down to Roy but Roy does have to instill into them that when they go a goal up that it is either still 0-0 or even better than that we need to score again and kill the game off.

I've highlighted the key word.

I can see why you say it seems that way. However, you then go on (and in other posts too) as though you've established the "lack of a winning mentality" as a fact.

If you want to stick to the realm of remote diagnosis of psychological problems afflicting two entire teams' worth of players (the starting line-ups for yesterday and Wednesday were entirely different), then lack of confidence is a perfectly reasonable alternative explanation. The team goes one up, the players know we haven't been playing well for over a year and we're always likely to concede and they drop back to protect the lead.

Of course there are plenty of other explanations too, none of which involve psychological problems or mental weakness - you know, like the players are told to drop deeper in the immediate aftermath to protect their advantage or even that the opposition raise their game because they actually need to score...

[Havors]

O'Neill would be out of the frying pan and into the fire. I couldn't stand that.

As for better football, I was talking to my Villa mate about Houllier's one-dimensional, basic style of play, and he said "It cannot be any more one-dimensional and basic than Martin's style", and he loved MON.

Ill trust what my eyes have seen rather than a pessmistic villa fan every fan is over critical of their own team.

And how would O'Neill be out of the pan into the fire? he got a personality, charisma and understands the modern game a lot more than Roy. Roy even though he seems like a lovely man, couldnt inspire a kleptomaniac to steal. And we have seen the tactics he prefers....

We havent had a manager with charisma or that certain something that makes people listen and keeps their attention since dalglish. Is it a coincidence that we havent won a league title since dalglish?

Disclaimer: This is all obviously just my opinion and you dont have to agree

[Kenneth]

Ill trust what my eyes have seen rather than a pessmistic villa fan every fan is over critical of their own team.

And how would O'Neill be out of the pan into the fire? he got a personality, charisma and understands the modern game a lot more than Roy. Roy even though he seems like a lovely man, couldnt inspire a kleptomaniac to steal. And we have seen the tactics he prefers....

We havent had a manager with charisma or that certain something that makes people listen and keeps their attention since dalglish. Is it a coincidence that we havent won a league title since dalglish?

Disclaimer: This is all obviously just my opinion and you dont have to agree

Of a ****.