Pack your bags Roy

[Neil Young]

Yet again, with no real evidence, people are jumping on a bandwagon and slating Gerrard. Probably our 2nd or 3rd best player ever. And people are turning on him, for no defined reason.

I think that's fair comment.

[Kenneth]

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[Craig_H]

I'll be gutted the day either of them stops playing for Liverpool, but their attitude (if everything that we hear is to believed) of recent doesn't really sit well with me.

Aside from 'we have heard rumours', what exactly is Gerrard meant to have done?

You know, in reality and in layman's terms...

[Kloppster]

BTW lads, Hodgson is still 7/4 on PP to be the next PL manager to leave his post.

Get on it ASAP

Done 40 notes on !

[Reece]

Aside from 'we have heard rumours', what exactly is Gerrard meant to have done?

You know, in reality and in layman's terms...

No need to take that patronising tone.

As I said, my comments DO relate to the rumours we here. I don't particularly like players thinking they can force a manager out of the club.

Now in the case of Hodgson they may be right But it's not the way to go about things in my opinion.

No need to get on the defensive anyway, I've hardly slagged either of them off

[Fredo]

Yet again, with no real evidence, people are jumping on a bandwagon and slating Gerrard. Probably our 2nd or 3rd http://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/imag...espect.gifbest player ever. And people are turning on him, for no defined reason.

You have an incredibly vivid imagination and come what may, Rafa's always your priority over everything else.

It's about doing the right things for the club. Sacking Rafa, at that time wasn't one. I dunno why you think I've got an overriding obsession with him.

There's plenty of evidence that there was something wrong from within. I don't need to have cast iron certainties to state my opinions.

[Craig_H]

No need to take that patronising tone.

As I said, my comments DO relate to the rumours we here. I don't particularly like players thinking they can force a manager out of the club.

Now in the case of Hodgson they may be right But it's not the way to go about things in my opinion.

No need to get on the defensive anyway, I've hardly slagged either of them off

I wasnt taking a patronising tone, i meant other than terms like 'getting big for his boots' 'overinflated opinion of himself' and suchlike, because they dont really mean anything.

And again, i wasnt getting defensive - i just genuinely do not see ANYTHING that Gerrard's done wrong, with regards to managers, team mates or the like.

I'm sat here, reading these comments and metaphorically screaming 'but what has he actually DONE???'

It's the easiest thing in the world to just say 'Gerrard thinks he can force a manager out of the club' but it's pure rhetoric IMO and utterly unsubstantiated.

I'm still none the wiser as to what Gerrard allegedly did.

[Kenneth]

Done £20

[red g]

I expect it all to come out. Looking at how roy has conducted himself I am pretty sure he will be the first to come out and defend his legacy with slurs against others

[Craig_H]

It's about doing the right things for the club. Sacking Rafa, at that time wasn't one. I dunno why you think I've got an overriding obsession with him.

There's plenty of evidence that there was something wrong from within. I don't need to have cast iron certainties to state my opinions.

I agree that sacking Rafa wasnt the right decision at the time. I dont think Gerrard sacked him though.

To go from that bit in bold (which is debatable anyway) to 'Gerrard forced Rafa out' is quite a leap. I'm quite interested in the journey of getting from A to B there.

And of course you can state your opinions without cast iron evidence (or any evidence at all, in this case). I've no qualms with that. But it does indicate that Rafa takes a higher priority than anything else which, given that he has now gone, is a bit odd.

[Rich]

Aside from 'we have heard rumours', what exactly is Gerrard meant to have done?

You know, in reality and in layman's terms...

I love the way you need concrete proof to believe!

You're like Mulder or is it Scully?!

[Shaggy]

I wasnt taking a patronising tone, i meant other than terms like 'getting big for his boots' 'overinflated opinion of himself' and suchlike, because they dont really mean anything.

And again, i wasnt getting defensive - i just genuinely do not see ANYTHING that Gerrard's done wrong, with regards to managers, team mates or the like.

I'm sat here, reading these comments and metaphorically screaming 'but what has he actually DONE???'

It's the easiest thing in the world to just say 'Gerrard thinks he can force a manager out of the club' but it's pure rhetoric IMO and utterly unsubstantiated.

I'm still none the wiser as to what Gerrard allegedly did.

I think he put in too many gutless non-performances last season, he'd stopped giving his all IMO.

His gesture at Rafa at Birmingham last season and other things such as his defeaning silence when Rafa was sacked and his haste to lick Hodgson's arse when he was appointed...there's enough smoke. Obviously no-one's got proof but I reckon him and Carra have too much power, too much influence. Only an opinion, no proof.

[Roboklopp]

Dunno Craig, am I expected to use the phrase "if true" all the time, cos it is implicit in my assertions. Is all conjecture, but if true, those are my feelings. SG certainly revereted to sulky spoilt kid last season.

[peekay]

bensmith_times Ben Smith
Reports of discontent among senior #lfc players are bang on the money. Hodgson's days looked numbered

I think anyone would be an improvement over Hodgson now. Even Montse. Having stayed with Rafa, I think she will have a little bit more clue about tactics than the "35 year experienced one". And I am 100% sure she wont insult the fans in her PC.

One of the interesting things I read about NESV in the US is that they are not averse to selling off iconic or popular players if it is in the best interest of the team. Whether it is good or bad, but most successful eras of most clubs in football have coincided with a manager who has dictatorial powers.

[Fredo]

I agree that sacking Rafa wasnt the right decision at the time. I dont think Gerrard sacked him though.

To go from that bit in bold (which is debatable anyway) to 'Gerrard forced Rafa out' is quite a leap. I'm quite interested in the journey of getting from A to B there.

And of course you can state your opinions without cast iron evidence (or any evidence at all, in this case). I've no qualms with that. But it does indicate that Rafa takes a higher priority than anything else which, given that he has now gone, is a bit odd.

Did I say that Gerrard forced him out!? I don't think I did.

I did insinuate some kind of mutiny with Purslow pulling the strings, and I don't think it's far fetched to assume that was true, if you look into the fact he's standing down.

Gerrard is a Liverpool legend, but I won't reserve any stick he gets if he's been involved in any kind of ****wittery with Purslow, for whatever reasons he deeemed legitimate.

It's nothing to do with Rafa taking higher priority. I just think that he's been harshly treated and I would love him to clear his name. That is all. I don't think this shows that I've got an overriding love (above all things LFC) for him.