Pack your bags Roy

[Arn]

In fairness to Konchesky he's only played four games for the club. He was good in one, average in one and ****e in two, along with the rest of the team. I wouldn't write him off just yet.

Insua was truly appalling last season. The whole debate has already been done to death but I believe he'll never be good enough.

Insua was one of our best attacking players and always gave 100%.

If you look at our whole left side last season and not only the left back position then you get the full picture to the problem and it wasn't all down to Insua.

Benayoun or Riera on his left side. Two players that is **** tracking back. Lucas isn't exactly top class helping the fullback out. Agger was injured a lot so Skrtel played many games as the left sided central defender.

Skrtel
Insua
Lucas
Benayoun/Riera

That was our left side. He was left all alone very often without a single player to help him out. It was ridiculous to see how many times he was left in one on one situations when it could easily been avoided if other players hadn't ****ed it up.

[Shaggy]

I'd have him back in a shot over Konchesky.

Every single time. It's a no-contest, Konchesky is ****ing WANK.

See how easily that Coleman went past him yesterday for the first goal? Criminal. People hung Insua out to dry for that stuff but at least he contributed plenty going forward. Konchesky is just pure ****e, always has been.

[Kenneth]

Insua was one of our best attacking players and always gave 100%.

If you look at our whole left side last season and not only the left back position then you get the full picture to the problem and it wasn't all down to Insua.

Benayoun or Riera on his left side. Two players that is **** tracking back. Lucas isn't exactly top class helping the fullback out. Agger was injured a lot so Skrtel played many games as the left sided central defender.

Skrtel
Insua
Lucas
Benayoun/Riera

That was our left side. He was left all alone very often without a single player to help him out. It was ridiculous to see how many times he was left in one on one situations when it could easily been avoided if other players hadn't ****ed it up.

Oddly, I don't see you using the above to defend Konchesky, who suffers from exactly the same exposure, if not worse. He's got Joe Cole, Jova, or Raul Mireles playing out of position in front of him.

[Kenneth]

Every single time. It's a no-contest, Konchesky is ****ing WANK.

See how easily that Coleman went past him yesterday for the first goal? Criminal. People hung Insua out to dry for that stuff but at least he contributed plenty going forward. Konchesky is just pure ****e, always has been.

Has it really come to this? Who is the least ****, the **** Konchesky or the **** Insua. Oh, or the ever-injured Aurelio. We're not a top side, nowhere near.

[Neil Young]

Oddly, I don't see you using the above to defend Konchesky, who suffers from exactly the same exposure, if not worse. He's got Joe Cole, Jova, or Raul Mireles playing out of position in front of him.

Fair point. My response though is:

1. He was meant to be an improvement over Insua. He patently isn't.
2. He's experienced so should be able to compensate for the shortcomings of others (see 1). He hasn't.
3. He's only going to get worse. Insua is probably going to get better.
4. His passing is poor (apart from one ball down the line to Cole yesterday - that was nice).

[Neil Young]

Has it really come to this? Who is the least ****, the **** Konchesky or the **** Insua. Oh, or the ever-injured Aurelio. We're not a top side, nowhere near.

The main point of Arn's original comment though was that he wants us to get a world class left back. Back-up to whoever that might be is a secondary issue.

[Tee]

Every single time. It's a no-contest, Konchesky is ****ing WANK.

See how easily that Coleman went past him yesterday for the first goal? Criminal. People hung Insua out to dry for that stuff but at least he contributed plenty going forward. Konchesky is just pure ****e, always has been.

He is not even mediocre IMO. Utterly **** player.

[danperkins]

We wasn't outplayed more than maybe three, four games last season. We played **** in some games but we could still won them. Our opponents didn't create that many chances. The problem was that we didn't score that many goals so one or two goals against would be enough to lose the game.

We were gash under Rafa last season mate simple as that. We lost something like 21 games last season, enough said. Roy has done a shocking job at LFC that is very clear, but the problems were there before he came. I am in no way defending Roy whatsoever, as i didn't want him here in the first place but the fact that Rafa didn't make one decent signing in the last 2 years left us with a very weak squad and not much time and funds to address this.

Roy came in to a sub standard squad and the lost of Masch which was massive but he really didn't buy the right players regardless of time constraints, it seems he tried to sell on few more (Lucas & Babel but ran out of time) , IMO he had the right idea in clearing out players but when you don't address problem areas like LM/LB that leaves us sparse and weakened.

So IMO is was 100% NOT a mistake getting rid of Rafa but it was most definitely a mistake bringing in Roy.

[Mostar]

-----------------------Reina
Johnson------????--------------Agger---------????
---------------Meireles----????-------------------
------????-------------Gerrard-------Cole------
------------------------Torres---------------

Six players in the starting XI that is top class with the right manager(pass and move). So five top class players needed to get the world class starting XI we need. Players like Lucas and Kuyt can be used as backups. Now we have 13 players. So we need to sign up four, five more players that isn't top class but still need to be good enough to make an impact when needed to. The rest of the squad can be filled up with youngsters like Shelvey, Eccleston, Pacheco, Kelly and so on.

So five top class players and four five very good players. That is what we need IMO.

I agree that we definitely need 5,6 players just to complete starting 11 and few more to give us some reasonable depth.

This season is already gone and we should start rebuilding immediately. In my opinion, we need a world class manager, LB, 2 CB (with Agger's injury record we cannot rely on him), DM, Winger (I'd like to see actually 2) and a back up striker just for starters. Also would like to see Aqua man back as loaning him was a true stupidity.

[Shaggy]

Fair point. My response though is:

1. He was meant to be an improvement over Insua. He patently isn't.
2. He's experienced so should be able to compensate for the shortcomings of others (see 1). He hasn't.
3. He's only going to get worse. Insua is probably going to get better.
4. His passing is poor (apart from one ball down the line to Cole yesterday - that was nice).

[Arn]

Oddly, I don't see you using the above to defend Konchesky, who suffers from exactly the same exposure, if not worse. He's got Joe Cole, Jova, or Raul Mireles playing out of position in front of him.

The difference is that they play in totally different systems. Insua was played as an attacking fullback. Konchesky is played as a defensive left back.

If you you use the fullback in an attacking way then the key is that other players must help him out and fill the gap behind him.

Konchesky is staying back almost all the time so he shouldn't need as much help as Insua did but the gaps is still there.

[danperkins]

The Konch and Insua are nowhere near even vicinity good enough for this level of football. Aurelio is but is made out of biscuits. LB and LM and massive issues

[Neil Young]

The Konch and Insua are nowhere near even vicinity good enough for this level of football. Aurelio is but is made out of biscuits. LB and LM and massive issues

That's the main reason Helios and I like him.

[Fierce]

Fulham fan in work: "Was just like watching Fulham"

I'm dangerously close to accepting that a point against Blackburn would be welcome

A point. Against Blackburn

I appreciate that we've not been one of the top clubs in world football for a long time now, but we're still Liverpool Football Club. We're still 5 times European Champions. We still have the equal number of top division titles. We still have one of the largest global fanbases

I don't want mediocrity, and it saddens me that I'm starting to accept it

He should be given 10 league games for me, absolute max. But that's me trying to be fair and give the manager a chance. Being honest, I want him gone

[Kenneth]

The difference is that they play in totally different systems. Insua was played as an attacking fullback. Konchesky is played as a defensive left back.

If you you use the fullback in an attacking way then the key is that other players must help him out and fill the gap behind him.

Konchesky is staying back almost all the time so he shouldn't need as much help as Insua did but the gaps is still there.

I thought Konchesky was quite high up the pitch quite often yesterday in the second half.