Pack your bags Roy

[red g]

hasn't kenny allready said he would always e there if the club ever needed him?

He wanted to manage when they were going to appoint Roy because he knew he was ****........and he has been proved right. Cant really see Kenny saying no now to prove apoint

[Craig_H]

Of course, but I have my reasons to believe why he was sacked, and none were for sporting reasons.

If you think ****e on-field performance didnt/wouldnt/shouldnt play a part, then i think you're wrong.

[TheElephantMan]

let Sammy have a go.

The Sammy option is a tricky one as he is Roy's right hand man and would be difficult to broach the subject on the sly.

I don't have much faith in Sammy Lee either - I said anyone could do a better job than Hodgson, but I should have said anyone except Sammy Lee.

[Craig_H]

The one rather clear assumption that we could make is that it wasn't for sporting reasons because we were competitive until the end of his tenure. Yes, we didn't win a trophy for 3 years, but we weren't far away, especially if you consider that he was going for both the CL and the league (apart from Chelsea & Man. Utd during the last 5 years no other team ever got close bar us 2 years ago).

Nonsense. Of course they played a part.

Arguably, the ****e performances made it easier for H&G to sack him because, whilst they wanted him gone because he spoke out at them, if we had been performing on the field, it would've been incredibly difficult to sack him.

[RichC]

He 'promised' 4th because Liverpool should always aim for at least 4th (4th isn't good enough even!), unlike Hodgson who thinks we're relegation fodder.

I think it's a bit simplistic to suggest he was sacked because he 'promised' 4th place. It would have been an insult if he said we couldn't finish 4th, and to be fair to him, we competed for 4th till the end.

But hey ho, I don't want to go into a Rafa debate.

Neither do I! He had people that wanted him gone, that for me was the easiest reason to remove him.

Anyway he's gone, at Inter and we have Roy whooooooooo

[malg]

Jesus. Those quotes should come with a health hazard warning for all Liverpool Fans

Why the hell did I read them. This muppet has to go he is a complete failure and Liverpool don't do failures kindly. The worst manager in modern LFC history.

[Craig_H]

He 'promised' 4th because Liverpool should always aim for at least 4th (4th isn't good enough even!), unlike Hodgson who thinks we're relegation fodder.

I think it's a bit simplistic to suggest he was sacked because he 'promised' 4th place. It would have been an insult if he said we couldn't finish 4th, and to be fair to him, we competed for 4th till the end.

But hey ho, I don't want to go into a Rafa debate.

Big difference between saying we COULD finish 4th and saying 'i guarantee it'.

[Galb]

Was it the Boro game? I just remember Skyrtl getting mugged again and again. Normally if a player is having a horror show I'm
more irrate than anything else but on that occassion I really felt for the lad. He clearly had no idea what he was supposed to be doing. Carra felt 'a bit leggy' if I recall correctly.

It was. If we'd won that, there's a good chance we would have won the league that year too.

And there's a good chance Rafa would still be here as it would be very difficult to sack the manager who brought us number 19.

Small margins between triumph and disaster sometimes.

[RichC]

Why the hell did I read them. This muppet has to go he is a complete failure and Liverpool don't do failures kindly. The worst manager in modern LFC history.

Tell you what it almost feels like a last **** you from H&G leaving us with Roy.

[Galb]

B*ll*cks - typed a long reply and promptly lost it before posting. CBA ***** to retype.

Anyway, it boils down to this - if we'd got fourth or better last season, do you think Benitez would have been sacked?

Yeah. I think Purslow, etc wanted him out regardless. Their clashes meant one of them had to go.

Bar winning the league, I think nothing would have saved Rafa in the summer.

All that would have changed would be the reasons given (my guess is we'd have heard how after six years and £x million spent, LFC expect to be winning the league, taken us as far as he could, blah, blah, blah, probably with an added dash of the perennial excuse having 'lost the dressing room' that clubs leak whenever they want to get rid of a manager).

[Neil Young]

Yeah. I think Purslow, etc wanted him out regardless. Their clashes meant one of them had to go.

Bar winning the league, I think nothing would have saved Rafa in the summer.

All that would have changed would be the reasons given (my guess is we'd have heard how after six years and £x million spent, LFC expect to be winning the league, taken us as far as he could, blah, blah, blah, probably with an added dash of the perennial excuse having 'lost the dressing room' that clubs leak whenever they want to get rid of a manager).

I'm not so sure.

Finishing seventh - and the poor performances and results that led to that outcome - weakened Benitez enormously. It led to a major loss of support among a substantial proportion of the fans (close to 50% according to, IIRC correctly, LDP Perkins' own, self-defeating research) and will have inevitably cost him belief and support from within the squad and elsewhere in the club.

Finishing fourth would had a far less negative impact on support among the fans and more of the players would have been happy enough and, crucially, the income stream would have been healthier this season. Taking all that into account it would have made it much, much harder for Purslow to sack him.

[Kronenburg1892]

In the game that Carra allegedly 'refused' to play RB, didnt he play CB instead?

My thinking is that if any player 'refused' to play where he was told, Rafa would just drop them full stop.

Carra's words from his book....

If there was one game I'd like to go back and replay,it's Middlesborough away which turned into our second and final defeat that season. That was the match I had to appologize to the manager and coaching staff for not playing at right back. I didn't refuse to play in the position, I just made it known my displeasure at being considered for the role in the build up to the game.

....I'd been used in the position a few weeks earlier, playing four or five consecutive games. I'd never felt so physically drained and by the time of my latest appearance in that position I thought I was letting myself and the team down. Playing at full back is the equavalent of playing two games for me at centre-half, and I was struggling. I was also feeling a sense of resentment that after spending over half my career playing out of position I was still being asked to sacrifice myself before anyone else was considered.

[Neil Young]

Thanks Kronenbourg.

I believe the gist of all of that. It explains why he wasn't dropped yet also fits in with what we heard at the time. And I think it's fair enough, as a senior player, he could make his feelings known to management without it making him a c*nt.

But presumably he's not feeling such a strong sense of resentment now, is he? That's pretty interesting. And who just gave him a new contract?

It's 2+2 of course but it looks to me pretty much like it adds up to 4.

[Kronenburg1892]

Thanks Kronenbourg.

So presumably he's not feeling such a strong sense of resentment now, is he?

Obviously not. You take what you get I suppose.

[Red11]

Thanks Kronenbourg.

So presumably he's not feeling such a strong sense of resentment now, is he?

I don't mean to open old wounds, but who would have/did play CB in that game? Coz now he's happy to play third fiddle to Skrtel & Soto?

Now Mr LFC is the embodiment of humility, then he was just pissed off?!?!?!