Pack your bags Roy

[dizzycat]

So Henry has said that they won't be spending in Jan and will wait until the summer and said it's wrong to blame Roy. From a man who knows **** all about football, this is very irritating. Has also said some players 'prefer a quick fix' while others are focused on the 'long term'.

Really not liking the noises coming from the club at the moment. Players split, **** manager being backed, no improvement in Jan. Not happy about being left in limbo while the squad falls apart. Not impressed at all.

Yeah he went down a little in my estimation with those comments, I thought he had a reputation for being smart. For me, as a fan, the start and finish of the issue is the appalling football being played by MY team. One person is responsible for that and nearly every fan I speak to feels the same way. The worst thing is that we should be on the crest of a wave following the removal of Hicks, but because of Hodgson we've just mired in more crap. If Henry can't see that bigger fool him.

[Fredo]

His dalliance with NOTW's Chris Bascombe cannot be understated either

A journalist, i may be right in saying Benitez despised

Sad

http://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/forum/ff-football-forum/96800-jamie-carragher-tits-who-think-he-has-too-much-power-5.html

Fiesty discussion over there

What's Dave Usher saying about all this? He's Carra's pal if I remember well.

[merlboo]

What's Dave Usher saying about all this? He's Carra's pal if I remember well.

I try not to go on there too much

It ain't good for your sanity !

I got banned (rather luckily it has to be said, some time back)

I was looking specifically for Bascombe's Sunday piece out of curiousity and came across that thread (but i think its subscriptions only , the NOTW that is)

I wonder what Agenda Chris is peddling now ?

http://www.football-news.com/category/Liverpool-FC-News/Jamie-Carragher-backs-Liverpool-manager-201010210013/

He's going to have to ditch that standpoint fairly quick (Jamie that is )

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1324164/You-Roy-Liverpool-manager-Hodgson-compares-braveheart-Jamie-Carragher-Brazil-great-Carlos-Alberto.html

and Quotes of the manager like that shouldn't blind him also to whats really going on

[Baracus]

So Henry has said that they won't be spending in Jan and will wait until the summer and said it's wrong to blame Roy. From a man who knows **** all about football, this is very irritating. Has also said some players 'prefer a quick fix' while others are focused on the 'long term'.

Really not liking the noises coming from the club at the moment. Players split, **** manager being backed, no improvement in Jan. Not happy about being left in limbo while the squad falls apart. Not impressed at all.

There seems to be a small ball of negativity building on JWH over the last couple of days. I don't know where it has come from and regardless of his quotes. Actions when needed speak louder than words. We all saw what H&G did with their wad of dollar bills. We just need some paitence; lets just wait and see when the transfer windows open. This is not Harry potter where we can get a wand out and 'expelliarmus' Roy. (I tried it failed)

[Craig_H]

There seems to be a small ball of negativity building on JWH over the last couple of days. I don't know where it has come from and regardless of his quotes. Actions when needed speak louder than words. We all saw what H&G did with their wad of dollar bills. We just need some paitence; lets just wait and see when the transfer windows open. This is not Harry potter where we can get a wand out and 'expelliarmus' Roy. (I tried it failed)

Yes i agree, but actions also need to be 'actioned' before too much damage is done. And we're right on the cusp of that now.

[Baracus]

Yes i agree, but actions also need to be 'actioned' before too much damage is done. And we're right on the cusp of that now.

I personally think Roy is digging his own grave and where closer to him being 6ft under.

[Craig_H]

I dont really give a **** about roy, my concern is the ability of the club to recover sufficiently enough to try and achieve its objectives. The longer he stays, the less chance of that.

[Baracus]

Judging by what we've seen in the league thus far. 4th place is more than achieveable with the current squad and 1 or 2 additions in Jan. I agree the longer he stays the less likely we are to achieve this and the further we will regress in the future if that happens.

[Craig_H]

It wont be achieveable for long though - City will pick up their form sooner or later, we needed to take at least 4 points from the last 2 games. And we dont have 'easier' games forever, the harder ones are coming up soon.

Hodgson is ****ing us up bigtime.

[Lecter]

If I can

I haven't read his book so maybe someone who has, can confirm ,but the family are bonafide Evertonians from a Bootle Stronghold

If Jamie's been brought up amongst them surroundings then anyone ,and i mean anyone would struggle to keep a clarified view , even for someone as supposedly studious as Jamie

You have a family who have a Blue Bloodline coursing through

Are they going to have Liverpudlians best interests at heart ?

anyway thats my tuppence , here's a good piece ,lifted from RAWK

I think this is way off the mark

Carragher might have his foibles and flaws but I dont think you can accuse him of sabotaging the club because of a blue heritage

[danperkins]

I think this is way off the mark

Carragher might have his foibles and flaws but I dont think you can accuse him of sabotaging the club because of a blue heritage

ludicrous comments

[merlboo]

I think this is way off the mark

Carragher might have his foibles and flaws but I dont think you can accuse him of sabotaging the club because of a blue heritage

For someone who's been in the company of those previously mentioned then i'm very much speaking from experience

I didn't want my sentiments to come across as deliberate sabotage as that wasn't my intention

The point i attempted to make was he may be vulnerable to people who are close to him and don't understand our traditions and principals

'' The Liverpool Way ''... if you like

Allied to this, a backdrop of Media Witchhunting, A weak and impressionable CEO, A new contract wrangle along with other things and a picture emerges with Benitez

He may of also thought Hodgson would have been a better option

Thats something , if he's been complicit to, he'll have to burden



Thats all

[danperkins]

It wont be achieveable for long though - City will pick up their form sooner or later, we needed to take at least 4 points from the last 2 games. And we dont have 'easier' games forever, the harder ones are coming up soon.

Hodgson is ****ing us up bigtime.

the thing is that it seems Torres & Reina are looking for some sign of intent from Henry. A sign that the club is going in the right direction, signing top players is a must, firstly to improve the first team/squad & secondly to keep the top players and show them that we are a club that is ambitious and we do want to complete for top honours.

I don't like the recent noises, i'd like to think Henry is playing things down about finances and possible transfers. I do understand that the best players don't necessarily be available in the January window so i get that. As regards his comments about Roy, pinch of salt with them, sure he's hardly going come out and say "Roy's walking a tight rope and sure he'll be sacked soon enough".

But if Henry doesn't put his hand in his pocket and we don't add "quality" to our squad and "first team" we will be in trouble. IMO others like United,Chelsea,Arsenal,City will most likely invest in January. I wonder come January with Roy still in charge what position we will be at in the league, is Henry writing this season off? He seems pretty relaxed but i can't imagine behind closed doors that he isn't working over time and worrying about the team not competing in Europe next season and our big players leaving, the amount of money we can lose by not competing in the Champs League is fierce. He seems a calm man in front of the cameras, level headed and definitely not rash but football and the premier league is so different to other sports in the states, i hope Henry isn't underestimated how quickly a football club can deteriorate and fall behind other clubs, and how difficult it is to recover form that.

[Fernandinho]

Well, I made a cock of myself here, as bad as Fernandihno's poor grasp of Geography.

You're alright, mate

On second thoughts I might not make it to England, keep your tickets






PLEASE GOD DON'T ACTUALLY DO IT

[calvoboy]

If I can

I haven't read his book so maybe someone who has, can confirm ,but the family are bonafide Evertonians from a Bootle Stronghold

If Jamie's been brought up amongst them surroundings then anyone ,and i mean anyone would struggle to keep a clarified view , even for someone as supposedly studious as Jamie

You have a family who have a Blue Bloodline coursing through

Are they going to have Liverpudlians best interests at heart ?

anyway thats my tuppence , here's a good piece ,lifted from RAWK


pinched off RAWK

The true value of LFC is not the stadium, the players, the TV deals, or even the trophies. It’s the brand and the global recognition and competitive business advantage that goes with it. As the owners of Liverpool FC, I assume you would consider that one of your principal focuses should be to effectively manage brand value. If so, then there are some things you need to understand.

Football is not baseball.

American is not the world.

And Liverpool FC is not Arsenal FC.

This Is Anfield. Fernando Torres. Steven Gerrard. They’re all brands in their own right. And they all contribute to the allure of the overall Liverpool brand. But above else the brand is three little letters - LFC, And that brand was built by the supporters. With the help and leadership of a few good men -- men like Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley, we created the brand that is Liverpool FC and we are a vital part of that brand.

It simply wouldn’t exist without us. The Twelfth Man. The Kop. The Victims Of Hillsborough. More than anything else, in a weird circle-of-life way, the supporters of Liverpool FC are both its core brand and its core customer base. The affinity we feel for the brand is the brand. We are the tradition and unique selling point of Liverpool FC. Do not under-estimate the importance of this truth. Sincerely, we’re the reason people all over the world want to be part of the Liverpool family, to be part of our "brand community". Because - and you should trust me on this one - we're not the same as everybody else. We're the wild-hearted outsiders. We are Anfield.

We can quibble over details, like Cuba and Japan, but essentially baseball is an American game. No-one else much cares. Just like helmetball. You can use all the global media marketing and cross-promotional bull**** that you can bring to bear, it doesn't matter. The rest of the world doesn't really care. Those games say nothing to us about our lives. And if rap music hadn't promoted the baseball cap internationally, no-one would care at all. Baseball isn't rock'n'roll or Coca Cola.

Here I was tempted to say, by way of contrast, that Liverpool FC is the Beatles. But we aren't. We're Bob Dylan. Think about it.

America's favourite past-time is supported by a population of 300M and the world's largest consumer economy. The Boston Red Sox brand has a strong tradition and history. But it enjoys a privileged position in a static market that is protected by a long and close mutualist relationship with the media. And the nearest rival for local supporter's affections is 200 miles away. Do you know how many Premier League football teams can be found within 50 miles of Anfield?

I'm not suggesting that local Liverpool supporters would turn their backs on LFC and begin to support other sides. It simply doesn't happen like that. However, the loyalty of the long distance supporter has yet to be evaluated and new football supporters - whether they live locally or in Singapore or Bangalore or Shanghai - are not exactly starved of choice. Meanwhile many traditional supporters have already been priced out of the stadium and others are feeling increasingly disenchanted and disenfranchised -- a phenomenon that will effect merchandising as much as ticket sales and that will continue to eat at the strength of your brand.

As they tell us repeatedly, the English Premier League is a strong brand, but it's not the only one. And Liverpool, like Manchester United, Barcelona, Real Madrid, and others, is a brand that's capable of transcending petty national boundaries and collective bargaining agreements alike. The LFC brand is that strong.

But the brand is in danger, and not because of a few embarrassingly bad performances on the field. The problems run much deeper.

Accept for a moment, the hypothesis that the supporters are the brand - you can validate it later, maybe ask Joe Januszewski? Well, the relationship between the supporters and the club has been deeply damaged, primarily by the ownership of Hicks & Gillet. You know this, of course. You've all done sterling work to begin to address it. But not enough.

In a curious way, the epic swindle that removed Hicks & Gillet also removed the common enemy that was keeping the supporters largely united. Now the bond of unity between supporters has begun to unravel. Things are falling apart. The centre may not hold.

The good news is that as supporters we are prepared to dig deep and remain faithful so long, I believe, as the custodians of the club honour our history and our traditions. The bad news is that in Roy Hodgson, you have a manager who does neither.

You said recently: "Liverpool values are well known. What makes Anfield so special beyond the history of the ground are the people who populate Anfield each match. They value the club first and foremost. That is what we have to ensure every person who wears a kit or works for the club at any level has in the their minds first and foremost: the club comes first."

While you persist with Hodgson, those words are hollow and hypocritical.

There is a story - perhaps a fable - about a very successful football club called Leeds United and a very successful football manager called Brian Clough. Clough was appointed to succeed Don Revie, the manager who built Leeds up to be one of the most powerful in Europe. At his first team meeting, Clough told his new players, Don Revie's players, to throw all their hard-won medals into the trash because they were won by cheating and ugly football. 44 days later, Clough was fired. Leeds has never been a true football power since.

The point of the story is that Clough had no respect for the history or traditions of his new club.

Brian Clough was a remarkably successful football manager. Following the debacle at Leeds he went on to win two successive European Cups with the far from wealthy or glamorous Nottingham Foreset. If Dan Quayle was no Jack Kennedy, then Roy Hodgson is no Brian Clough. And yet Roy Hodgson is our Brian Clough.

We are the wild-hearted outsiders who need to bond with our manager and our players in a battle against the rest of the world. Hodgson's addicted to media and peer approval and considers us to be, at best, an audience and, at worst, a nuisance .

We expect to win. He's scared of losing.

We love talented, attacking footballers. He prefers effective automatons.

We call a spade a ****ing shovel. He calls it a metallicized digging implement with an extended handular leverage structure and will talk for 45 minutes about how he invented it 35 years ago in Sweden.

I could go on. And on. And on. But I imagine you are all being inundated with complaints about Hodgson, so I won't. I shall simply say that:

- You should listen to supporters, not the media. The media has no love of Liverpool FC and conspired at the appointment of Hodgson. They have a corpse in their mouth. Some of our players are just as bad.

- You should protect the value of your brand - the reputation of the relationship between supporters and club. The foundations took decades to build. The edifice can be toppled in a matter of weeks, And rebuilding it - if possible - will be a lengthy and costly exercise.

Of course, you don't have to respect our history, our traditions, our supporters and the immense contribution we make to the brand. There are other ways to manage the business that is Liverpool FC. Other ways to succeed. You can rebrand us if you like. But ask yourself, how did that work for Coca Cola in 1985? If you don't want to own Liverpool Classic, why didn't you just buy Blackburn, or Portsmouth?

Love and kisses

God that's an awful post from RAWK. A mixture of the bloody obvious and the utterly irrelevant, along with a load of half-arsed analogies that don't work. And to think that some people on here slate Tomkins...