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    Originally posted by el matador View Post
    Hodgson left to fight for future as owners' doubts grow

    Liverpool's American owners are beginning to harbour doubts about Roy Hodgson and are particularly concerned about the manager's increasingly fractured relationship with supporters after the excruciating home defeat to Wolves on Wednesday.


    The owners are understood to have been surprised to find that Hodgson had questioned the supporters after the 1-0 defeat, during which ironic chants of "Hodgson for England" and calls for Kenny Dalglish were heard. Though Dalglish is understood to feel Liverpool still have no appetite to appoint him as caretaker, the club's owners believe that the fans should not have been further alienated after a performance in which the club's principal owner, John W Henry, was not convinced the players were sufficiently committed. Hodgson observed after the match that in his six months as Liverpool manager "the famous Anfield support has not been there" and called on "those fans to become supporters as well, because this is the time when the club needs supporters".

    The 14-day break caused by the cancellation of Liverpool's fixtures with Fulham and Blackpool created the platform to excel against a Wolves side who arrived at Anfield with the worst away record in the four English leagues. In those circumstances, the Americans were particularly surprised by the listless performance Hodgson's players put in. A make-or-break month appears to lie ahead.

    Henry and his chairman, Tom Werner, had been hopeful that Hodgson could at least see them through to the end of the season and initially expressed surprise at the level of criticism the 63-year-old has incurred. If Hodgson were to be sacked, the problem is who might be available to take the club through to the summer. It is understood Dalglish would jump at the chance if he received any encouragement for a return which would restore the link to the supporters, though his temporary appointment could store up more trouble. Were Dalglish to succeed in any way as a caretaker, it might be difficult to remove him harmoniously in favour of a younger, long-term manager such as Marseilles' Didier Deschamps, Porto's Andre Villas Boas or even Bolton's Owen Coyle.

    There is also the risk that, after a decade out of the front line, Dalglish simply could not deliver Liverpool towards the top of the table. In the meantime, he remains a brooding presence for Hodgson. "In the summer we lost one manager and got another one in," is the limit of Dalglish's cool assessment of the new manager in his latest column for the club's weekly magazine.

    The Americans may be reluctant to move swiftly, with the FA Cup third-round tie at Old Trafford only nine days away, and there are good reasons not to react prematurely and instead wait until the summer to move for the kind of young manager Henry may prefer.

    Hodgson's players, whom he insisted yesterday still support him, have proved themselves perfectly capable. The side had started to show signs of promise only last month, with a creditable display in the defeat at Tottenham and victory over Chelsea before demolitions of Aston Villa and West Ham. Two dire defeats and two cancelled games have now destroyed the momentum. Coyle's Bolton present a tough challenge tomorrow.

    Hodgson is a popular figure within Anfield and there is a feeling among some that he is too candid and articulate for his own good at times. Nothing the manager said in his questioning of the supporters was factually inaccurate – there has, indeed, been little fans' support for him – and his language on Wednesday night was not intemperate. But by calling for better support he has rendered his relationship with supporters an even more dislocated one. There is also a feeling – perfectly justified – from some quarters at Anfield that Fernando Torres has escaped scot-free from the wrath of fans, while Hodgson has taken all the abuse.

    Hodgson believes one of the reasons why smaller teams are regularly beating larger ones in this Premier League season is that the days of journeymen teams are over and that every side has at least one elite potential match-winner, from Wigan's Charles N'Zogbia to Wolves' Matt Jarvis.

    With each side capable of achieving a decent level, Hodgson reasons, delivery from that star player is more often the difference between success and failure. Torres is one of the star men for Liverpool and, despite playing in every League game bar one this season and enjoying a contract way beyond that of Jamie Carragher, he does not look interested. It has not been lost on some that Torres' only star performance was in the first half against Chelsea, the side to which he would welcome a move.

    Privately, Hodgson believes the Spaniard's problems are physical and psychological, but Liverpool have stored up trouble by making the player bigger than the club, whose former managing director Christian Purslow was desperate to keep the striker as part of the process of making the club attractive to buyers. The informal understanding reached before Henry's New England Sports Ventures group took over was that Torres would be permitted to leave at the end of this season if Liverpool had failed to qualify for the Champions League and a £50m offer came in.

    Now, the 26-year-old seems to be beyond the manager's control. Tactically, Hodgson's style, with Pepe Reina punting long balls in the direction of Torres when he needs the ball played to his feet, is often less suited to him, but that does not account for his poor season.

    Torres the terrible

    After some great years at Liverpool, 2010 has seen the striker struggle for form and fitness, looking increasingly unsettled.

    March Penalty spot disruption goes unpunished. After heading Liverpool ahead at Old Trafford, Torres then kicked the spot before a Wayne Rooney penalty. Torres went unpunished by the FA.

    April Hauled off at St Andrew's Withdrawn after 65 minutes of a 1-1 draw at Birmingham City, prompting a bemused reaction from Steven Gerrard.

    June/July Limited role in World Cup glory Torres was clearly unfit at the World Cup in South Africa. He started four of Spain's seven matches, but was substituted in all of them and only once lasted beyond 58 minutes. Scored no goals.

    September Accused by Ferguson Sir Alex Ferguson said that Torres made "an absolute meal" of a foul by John O'Shea in Liverpool's 3-2 defeat to United. "There is no doubt he tried" to get O'Shea sent off.

    November Scores against Chelsea and Wigan Both goals are his in a 2-0 win over Chelsea at Anfield. Then strikes his fifth goal of the season at the JJB – and has not scored for Liverpool since. Seen turning his back and looking uninterested as Jermain Defoe missed a penalty in the 2-1 defeat at White Hart Lane.

    Make-or-break month?

    Tomorrow v Bolton (h); Prem

    Wednesday v Blackburn (a); Prem

    9 January v Man United (a); FA Cup

    12 January v Blackpool (a); Prem

    16 January v Everton (h); Prem


    22 January v Wolves (a); Prem



    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...w-2172428.html
    It was all going so well untill the bit in bold...

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      Originally posted by Shaggy View Post
      Not usually but apparently tomorrow's is early.

      It's snowballing now. Daily Post 'off the fence'



      OFF THE FENCE: Liverpool FC can rescue season by sacking Roy Hodgson

      Dec 31 2010 By Ben Thornley, Daily Post

      ROY HODGSON and Liverpool FC - not since Jan Molby squeezed into skimpy shorts in the late 1980s has there been such an uncomfortable fit in football.

      If Anfield supporters were baffled by their board's decision to appoint Hodgson as Rafa Benitez's successor in the summer, they find it harder still to understand how he has lasted this long.

      Nothing the Londoner had achieved in his past indicated he was the man for the Liverpool job. Less still in his disastrous six months in charge, which culminated in Wednesday's humiliating defeat to Wolves, suggests he should be allowed to continue.

      On and off the field the 63-year-old has continually fallen way below expectations. Calamitous performances against the likes of Blackpool, Northampton and Everton have been as regularly matched by clangers in the media room, with each press conference bringing Hodgson another opportunity to lower expectations, demotivate players and trumpet his reputation as"one of Europe's most respected managers".

      He is the anthisis of what a Liverpool boss should be, his manner and approach to the game completely at odds with Anfield's traditions.

      Given his claim that he doesn't believe in innovation and his wretched track record with transfers, he also appears to be an ill fit with everything John Henry and his fellow owners represent.

      Reviving Liverpool may be a long-term job, as the owners have claimed, but that task is becoming larger with each match Hodgson takes charge of.

      If he is given until the end of the season as has been suggested, then the next man's job will be all the more difficult. Particularly without several of Liverpool's key players who are unlikely to hang around while Hodgson blunders through the final months of the campaign.

      Far from steadying the ship, he is doing unspeakable damage to the club's standing and future.

      And yet this awful season can still be salvaged, if Henry and his fellow board members move quickly to install a new manager, even on an interim basis.

      The Premier League is so poor this term that it is not inconceivable that with the right man in charge and a host of quality signings that Liverpool could challenge for a Champions League place.

      The top half is the limit of Liverpool's ambitions should they stick by the former Malmo coach, however - something Hodgson would probably salute as a triumph.

      Despite what his friends in the media may claim, Liverpool's squad does possess great quality, but it would not suit their agenda to admit it.

      However, if you keep telling a group of players how mediocre they are they will begin to believe it.

      Instead the press talk of Hodgson having inherited issues - without ever specifying what they are, mind - and of the team being destabilised by the ownership issue, in spite of Liverpool having been sold two months previously.

      They also credit him with overseeing a revival in recent months, yet ignore that Liverpool have taken just seven points from their last seven games.

      While you expect the likes of Richard Keys to support his chum, it was particularly disappointing to hear Reds legend John Barnes claim that "sensible" Liverpool supporters still backed him.

      Even before his disgraceful attack on the Kop on Wednesday he had lost even the most moderate of Liverpool fans.

      Now it's time for him to lose his job.
      at that article. Pulls no punches. Lovely.

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        ive given hodgson some stick and he's deserved most of it. I dont know him as a person but those that do say he's decent and hard working. He is a football man and deserves more respect than he's getting at the moment.

        Unfortuntately for him, he is the wrong man, in the wrong place at the wrong time.

        It can happen to anybody and im sure its happened to a few on here. Sometimes there are situations which are just beyond your control and this is one such situation for Roy. I feel for him because the players that he's placed his faith in just havent delivered for whatever reason.

        He's managed to alienate the fans and to be fair to him it wouldnt have taken a lot to push us against him because we never wanted him in the first place. Its not his fault he's not rafa, dalglish or a glittering name. He's a fighter, a battler and his teams reflect that. However, fighting and battling just isnt enough at liverpool.

        What we need he just cant provide. Again its not his fault because he was offered one of the top jobs in world football and who in their right mind would refuse a job like this. He's not qualified for this job but an opportunity came his way that he just couldnt turn away. He's an opportunist who took advantage of a once in a lifetime call.

        the onus is now on the owners to call time on his reign and let someone else jump into the fire.
        Last edited by el matador; 31-12-10, 02:24 AM.
        [B]Sir Isaac Newton knew the universal law of karma - any action has its equal and opposite reaction.[B]

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          Originally posted by el matador View Post
          ive given hodgson some stick and he's deserved most of it. I dont know him as a person but those that do say he's decent and hard working. He is a football man and deserves more respect than he's getting at the moment.

          Unfortuntately for him, he is the wrong man, in the wrong place at the wrong time.

          It can happen to anybody and im sure its happened to a few on here. Sometimes there are situations which are just beyond your control and this is one such situation for Roy. I feel for him because the players that he's placed his faith in just havent delivered for whatever reason.

          He's managed to alienate the fans and to be fair to him it wouldnt have taken a lot to push us against him because we never wanted him in the first place. Its not his fault he's not rafa, dalglish or a glittering name. He's a fighter, a battler and his teams reflect that. However, fighting and battling just isnt enough at liverpool.

          What we need he just cant provide. Again its not his fault because he was offered one of the top jobs in world football and who in their right mind would refuse a job like this.
          He has dug his own grave, he is saying all the wrong things and simply alienating us further. He could have been dignified, but he hasn't been at all.
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            "ROY HODGSON and Liverpool FC - not since Jan Molby squeezed into skimpy shorts in the late 1980s has there been such an uncomfortable fit in football".


            You know any article that kicks off with a line like that is going to be class.

            It seems the Media are finally laying in to Roy then.
            Modifying post.

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              Hodgson is gone. Hodgson is not a Liverpool FC manager, never has been never will be. I would be astonished if Hodgson is still our manager this time next week. I thought he would get a season, but he needs to disappear fast before we end up totally screwed.

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                Originally posted by Mattshark View Post
                He has dug his own grave, he is saying all the wrong things and simply alienating us further. He could have been dignified, but he hasn't been at all.
                on the face of things he hasnt said anything incorrect though. We find it offensive but factually its pretty correct.

                He hasnt had the full support that managers like rafa and houllier had. Ive heard the fans sing his name once and that was 'hodgson for england'.

                We hadnt turned on him openly until yesterday, but that doesnt mean we supported him either.

                Yes he hasnt helped himself but he hasnt exactly been helped by others like the supporters and the players. I want him gone because he's just not right for the club. his mentality, tactics and general demeanour arent suitable for a big club like us.
                [B]Sir Isaac Newton knew the universal law of karma - any action has its equal and opposite reaction.[B]

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                  Originally posted by TheElephantMan View Post
                  Hodgson is gone. Hodgson is not a Liverpool FC manager, never has been never will be. I would be astonished if Hodgson is still our manager this time next week. I thought he would get a season, but he needs to disappear fast before we end up totally screwed.
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                    Originally posted by el matador View Post
                    on the face of things he hasnt said anything incorrect though. We find it offensive but factually its pretty correct.

                    He hasnt had the full support that managers like rafa and houllier had. Ive heard the fans sing his name once and that was 'hodgson for england'.

                    We hadnt turned on him openly until yesterday, but that doesnt mean we supported him either.

                    Yes he hasnt helped himself but he hasnt exactly been helped by others like the supporters and the players. I want him gone because he's just not right for the club. his mentality, tactics and general demeanour arent suitable for a big club like us.
                    Well apart from what he said about Rafa, palming off the blame elsewhere and complaining about after game demonstrations against the owners, failure to defend his players, the list just goes on. The man is an arrogant and ignorant fool and it is not just the fans he has alienated, he has clear done the same to many of the players. He doesn't deserve sympathy because he has brought this all upon himself.
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                      Originally posted by Mattshark View Post
                      Well apart from what he said about Rafa, palming off the blame elsewhere and complaining about after game demonstrations against the owners, failure to defend his players, the list just goes on. The man is an arrogant and ignorant fool and it is not just the fans he has alienated, he has clear done the same to many of the players. He doesn't deserve sympathy because he has brought this all upon himself.


                      This post deserves the handshake icon more than any other post I've ever shook hands with.

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                        Originally posted by Mattshark View Post
                        Well apart from what he said about Rafa, palming off the blame elsewhere and complaining about after game demonstrations against the owners, failure to defend his players, the list just goes on. The man is an arrogant and ignorant fool and it is not just the fans he has alienated, he has clear done the same to many of the players. He doesn't deserve sympathy because he has brought this all upon himself.
                        look at this another way. After benitez' sacking we needed a patsy who would keep thing afloat while the club was sold and new owners understood the club better.

                        Roy hodgson was that patsy. He's probably the only one who genuinely thought he would be here for the long term. I didnt, you probably didnt and neither did 99% of fans.

                        He's been used by the club during a limbo period for us and now he's served his purpose he needs to go.

                        He should keep his mouth shut and is probably too open and honest for someone who clearly isnt suited to managing at the highest level.

                        What this debacle also does is end any chance he had of managing england because even theyre not thick enough to ignore his tactical ineptitude and his mishandling of top players.
                        [B]Sir Isaac Newton knew the universal law of karma - any action has its equal and opposite reaction.[B]

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                          Originally posted by el matador View Post
                          look at this another way. After benitez' sacking we needed a patsy who would keep thing afloat while the club was sold and new owners understood the club better.

                          Roy hodgson was that patsy. He's probably the only one who genuinely thought he would be here for the long term. I didnt, you probably didnt and neither did 99% of fans.

                          He's been used by the club during a limbo period for us and now he's served his purpose he needs to go.

                          He should keep his mouth shut and is probably too open and honest for someone who clearly isnt suited to managing at the highest level.

                          What this debacle also does is end any chance he had of managing england because even theyre not thick enough to ignore his tactical ineptitude and his mishandling of top players.
                          I dunno, they gave McLaren the job.
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                            Originally posted by el matador View Post
                            on the face of things he hasnt said anything incorrect though. We find it offensive but factually its pretty correct.

                            He hasnt had the full support that managers like rafa and houllier had. Ive heard the fans sing his name once and that was 'hodgson for england'.


                            We hadnt turned on him openly until yesterday, but that doesnt mean we supported him either.

                            Yes he hasnt helped himself but he hasnt exactly been helped by others like the supporters and the players. I want him gone because he's just not right for the club. his mentality, tactics and general demeanour arent suitable for a big club like us.
                            He wasnt saying those things as just a statement of factual observation though - he was saying them as a dig, and as some kind of 'look, see how it isnt my fault?' tool. The ****.

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                              Originally posted by Mattshark View Post
                              I dunno, they gave McLaren the job.
                              yeah that's a good point.

                              I just think he's not equipped to handle a club of this size and the owners need to remove him for his own benefit.

                              Its like keeping an old dog alive when you know its best for him if he's put down.

                              Im not saying that they need to inject him with a load of chemicals (although it would work) but NESV need to act quickly for both parties.
                              [B]Sir Isaac Newton knew the universal law of karma - any action has its equal and opposite reaction.[B]

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                                Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                                He wasnt saying those things as just a statement of factual observation though - he was saying them as a dig, and as some kind of 'look, see how it isnt my fault?' tool. The ****.
                                I had responses, but couldn't be bothered. He's not a full shilling obviously.

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