You turn virtually every thread into a rafa discussion and it's ****ing tedious.
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Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
Don't respond to his posts Craig. Seriously. And this was turning into a good discussion too. 
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i'm with marsh. winning trophies isn't a philosophy, it's a goal. recruiting players can be part of a philosophy but it tells you nothing about what kind of football we want to play.
i think there was a liverpool philosophy at one point which should be resurrected. if we're looking to establish our footballing identity, it's not as if we've always been aimless. people used to copy our philosophy, and if we had strong characters putting it back in place, they would be again.
pass and move, tempo. pressing high up the pitch, solid defense and wave after wave of merciless attack. that's a few things i'd like to see. to an extent, i think saf has built man u up in the old, disused liverpool mold.dave of mutilation
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TBH, if Rafa was to be sacked he'd easily become the best candidate out there. Brining him back would be a smaller gamble than recruiting someone like Villas Boas or Coyle, to name but two.
Personally speaking, I'd go for a clean break. But the sensible option WOULD be Rafa. Would it have a bad effect on the players? Well I think sacking Roy will please some and upset others. Appointing any manager would please some and annoy others. So I don't think it matters. Any player not happy knows where the door is.Forwards.......Comment
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Whilst I agree with the sentiments, we need to move on from Rafa cos it's not gonna happen. Of course, the irony is that some of us would see the latter part if his penultimate season as the blueprint.
There does seem to be some ambiguity about Comoli's role and I'm not sure he's experienced enough to dictacte how the team should play. I think it us dangerous at this stage when our philosophy is so nebulous to limit potentially good managers from joining.
One thing I would say is that players and managers should be judged on talent an philosophy though, not nationality. We want an English/Scouse core, but not at the expense of all else. That road leads to all things Bodge. FFS, the English team have been wank for years with an insular mentality. It's hardly the way to progress.3rd place. Worst champions ever.
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You can't read can you Craig?
I said that we need a manager that would stay a long time and build up his philosophy. That means staying 10+ years. Rafa started to build his philosophy and it was a bloody great one that started to work.
Every manager will take with him his philosophy. If we get it someone that don't share the same philosophy as Rafa then it will take longer time.
Barcelona used three Dutch managers as their way to build up a philosophy. Cruyff, Van Gaal and Rijkaard. Three managers that shared the same philosophy. Pass and move, high pressure game and using own young talents.
Arsenal have Wenger and United Fergie. Stayed a long time. Chelsea really isn't even close to get a philosophy thanks to that they change manager a lot and take in totally different ones when they change.
If you want to get something that points to this is Liverpool then we must get Rafa back or someone that shares his philosophy or else it will take much longer time.
You can't build up a philosophy in a short time. You simply can't.Stop the cyberhate
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It's such a vague question, with a complicated answer.
Surely what we want, could be a million miles away from what we could be able to achieve.
We had the 'pass and move' philosophy that served us extremely well, but this was during a time when football was a different game completely. Players are now technically better, faster, even the way they strike the ball is different. Outside influences including money, TV replays and iconic statuses have had a major effect and the crux of it - we rested on our laurels and didn't move with the times.
To summarise, 'pass and move' is gone and we never replaced it. Ideally, something of a similar ilk would be aces, but what needs to be changed is the key question. Melwood? Our recruitment policy? Coaches? Our commercial department? The way we conduct business? Our PR?
I think it goes deeper, Craig is on the right lines, but Arn is right to bring previous manager's into the debate. The current manager doesn't particularly have a philiosphy from what I can see; Houllier implemented disciline, Benitez made us tactically savvy ... Roy kinda just turns up, hoping we can grab a goal and protect it ... he's leaving little legacy.
Maybe Marsh is on to something, perhaps we need to go back to basics. Define our philosphy then build on that. Strip it back and build the empire again.
That leads to another question mind, would we be happy recruiting a young unproven manager, who had the same ideas and philosphy that was identified and be given the time to slowly build? Today's modern fan is quick to lambast and media pressure demands instant results, the quick-fix is not always the way forward - but the money now involved in the game means people want to see immediate returns.
Anyhoo, Craig was right with this:
"Basically a bit like a quicker passing system than Arsenal and more of a willingness to go direct and dig in with character."Comment
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Hodgson is nothing more than a below average journeyman coachOriginally posted by Muddled View Post
I would like to see a young, hungry, progressive manager installed. Someone who can grow with the clubComment
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because he's doing really well at inter? **** me, some of you just won't see rafa for what he is.Originally posted by DannyMan2006 View PostComment
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as someone said earlier: quick, attacking pass and move football where we aren't afraid to use the long ball when needed, to shoot from distance when the opportunity arises, to dig in and put up a fight when needed.
and we shouldn't become a negative counter-attacking side when a new manager steps in. the manager should absolutely commit to our philosphy prior to being appointed. that's what a position like comolli's is for.Comment
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He's been hammered with injuries tbf. But I'm harping back because his style of play when correct is what we should aim for. Look at Valencia and look at lfc when they were at their best under him.Originally posted by fred_plasticine View Post
Tbh no manager who came in would have us challenging the top spots unless we went on a major recruitment drive. To many gaps in key areas. Whoever comes in will struggle as they get their ideas across, and until they find players that suit our system.
Even Roy will do better with his type of players being brought in.Forwards.......Comment
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forget Rafa now he is part of our glorious history!
For now we need to get rid of all the deadwood starting with Roy, Ryan, Carra, Take our football and the way the club is run back to the basics that Mr Shankly used so well.
Have players who want to play for the badge and not the bank account! Play positive football let them fear us not the other way around, and stop reading, or watching the British scum media and believing what they tell you!
Get behind the team at the ground, more passionate supporters at the games than visitors there for the experience like watching a gig. Less player power with the people at the club being reminded of the history of this club and what their job is on the pitch!
Finally strong defence, pass and move, it worked before and it will work again!Henderson, Downing, Adam, ?
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