Leadership

[Craig_H]

Noticing how Arn ignores my post which exposes his completely incorrect comments about me 'thinking gerrard is perfect'....

[Lee]

****ing hell.

I could see where this thread was going to end up when I saw Arn create a thread with such a title.

Getting very boring now Arn. Very boring.

[Neil Young]

Does anyone know, does Luis Suarez have leadership qualities?

[Roboklopp]

We've lost Xabi, Sami and Masher in this respect. They're a big loss not just on the field, but also off. Mash fired players (and fans) up with his aggression., but it's more the cool heads of the other 2 we miss. You need both hot and cool heads in a team. Gerrard and Carra are more the former.

I think cos Arn posted this it has polarised opinion somewhat. Unfortunate really cos we do lack leaders. Those 3 haven't been replaced personality- wise as well as talent-wise (of course you do need to have talent for other players to respect the other qualities).

[cled the red]

Agreed, but as I said, I think that's pretty low down in the list of priorities. We NEED better players. That's priority number 1. At least 1-2 that are going to go straight into the first team. If we do that, and they have an impact, it will raise the game of the entire team.

I also think it's totally unfair to shoulder Gerrard with the total responsibility of turning this around. Would Hyypia have been able to? In fact, it's the sheer class of Gerrard (and Torres) which has masked the sheer averagness of the rest of our attacking players for years now.

If the team can't pull itself out of this mess in the next 5 months then each and every player will have to take responsibility. Not just Gerrard - regardless of him being captain.

Excellent post.

[DannyMan2006]

You need more than just those qualities though

Looking at our side we need the following

Leadership, organisation, aggression, belief

and thats before you get to things like pace & width

After coming runners up that was all we needed to add. Since then.............

[DannyMan2006]

It's too simplistic to say we need better players.

What we need is better coached players for one, which I think Kenny and Steve Clarke will sort out. I think to win titles we need better players, but to move up the table we need confidence and better coaching on the training field.

[kris90210]

It's too simplistic to say we need better players.

What we need is better coached players for one, which I think Kenny and Steve Clarke will sort out. I think to win titles we need better players, but to move up the table we need confidence and better coaching on the training field.

Agreed, but the best way to build confidence is to win games. Right now, the confidence of the squad is shot. A couple of signings would lift everyone - so long as they came in and made an impact of course.

Coaching will obviously help as well. It's not a question of one or the other. It's both.

[Drago]

Arn simply queation, Would Rafa have won anything with the man you hate Gerrard?

[Roboklopp]

Can we make this thread about discussing the actual issue rather than baiting each other about things? Everything ain't black and White and it's really making the place ****ing boring.

[Robbie-fowler999]

Arn simply queation, Would Rafa have won anything with the man you hate Gerrard?

NO

[Arn]

Arn simply queation, Would Rafa have won anything with the man you hate Gerrard?

What you need to win things is an organisation that works from top to bottom. If you miss one part then you won't succeed. We are missing many parts, one of them is strong leadership on the pitch.

I don't hate Gerrard. He is a fantastic player. Only because I criticize him a lot doesn't mean that I hate him but he has let the club, fans and his team mates down many times.

I don't think he is as important to us as many of you think he is. He is a Liverpool legend but we would be able to replace him.

To answer your question. Would Rafa won anything with Gerrard? He won the CL so the answer is yes. Would he won anything without him? Who knows. That depends on the owners and a lot of other things.

Look at Chelsea now. One part that doesn't work and suddenly they fell apart. One part in a whole organisation. Man U had their biggest problem when they changed assistant manager a lot. One part that didn't work and they lost pace.

You must have an organisation that works from top to bottom.

Leadership on and off the pitch
Winning ambition
Money
Great players
Great staff
Great board

If one of the above is missing then you simply won't succeed. Look at all the clubs that won the PL. All of them worked from top to bottom. They didn't miss any part.

[Drago]

What you need to win things is an organisation that works from top to bottom. If you miss one part then you won't succeed. We are missing many parts, one of them is strong leadership on the pitch.

I don't hate Gerrard. He is a fantastic player. Only because I criticize him a lot doesn't mean that I hate him but he has let the club, fans and his team mates down many times.

I don't think he is as important to us as many of you think he is. He is a Liverpool legend but we would be able to replace him.

To answer your question. Would Rafa won anything with Gerrard? He won the CL so the answer is yes. Would he won anything without him? Who knows. That depends on the owners and a lot of other things.

Look at Chelsea now. One part that doesn't work and suddenly they fell apart. One part in a whole organisation. Man U had their biggest problem when they changed assistant manager a lot. One part that didn't work and they lost pace.

You must have an organisation that works from top to bottom.

Leadership on and off the pitch
Winning ambition
Money
Great players
Great staff
Great board

If one of the above is missing then you simply won't succeed. Look at all the clubs that won the PL. All of them worked from top to bottom. They didn't miss any part.

I'm sorry man but I disagree completely

[Robbie-fowler999]

What you need to win things is an organisation that works from top to bottom. If you miss one part then you won't succeed. We are missing many parts, one of them is strong leadership on the pitch.

I don't hate Gerrard. He is a fantastic player. Only because I criticize him a lot doesn't mean that I hate him but he has let the club, fans and his team mates down many times.

I don't think he is as important to us as many of you think he is. He is a Liverpool legend but we would be able to replace him.

To answer your question. Would Rafa won anything with Gerrard? He won the CL so the answer is yes. Would he won anything without him? Who knows. That depends on the owners and a lot of other things.

Look at Chelsea now. One part that doesn't work and suddenly they fell apart. One part in a whole organisation. Man U had their biggest problem when they changed assistant manager a lot. One part that didn't work and they lost pace.

You must have an organisation that works from top to bottom.

Leadership on and off the pitch
Winning ambition
Money
Great players
Great staff
Great board

If one of the above is missing then you simply won't succeed. Look at all the clubs that won the PL. All of them worked from top to bottom. They didn't miss any part.

Yes He has let the club down by winning trophies all by himself.

we can replace him ? without Gerrard we would be nothing.

Get over your conspiracy theories and your irrational love for Rafa.

Gerrard is the best player we've got and without him we would be nothing.