Konchesky is the victim of Anfield's burning desire to erase the memory of Hodgson

[Lecter]

Funnily enough the article does not show the writers name. says it all for me.

Roy Hodgson

[Fredo]

That's pathetic even more so that it's not even signed. The rest of the article is as bad by the way.

[Exiled_red]

More of Hodgsons mates in the media?

That article was crap, clear agenda of have a go a Liverpool, the fans and defend Roy and Konchesky.

[MrMichael]

That is a simply horribly article, absolutely awful.

Konchesky, a decent Premier League defender and a decent human being, for what that's worth, has suffered more indignity than any sportsman ought in the course of the past six months.

Errrrrrr, ok, Tiger Woods says hello. What actual indignity has Konchesky suffered other than being dropped? He's hardly the first footballer to be less than well received by his fans or a manager. So this was written by one of PK's mates then. Good we cleared that up early then.

But at £3.5m Konchesky was a perfectly suitable buy for Liverpool

Hmmmmmm. Right

But someone decided Konchesky wasn't "a Liverpool player". He struggled to perform. (Ask Nemanja Vidic or Patrice Evra how that can happen to a defender for all of six months at a new club.)

The rather substantial difference with Vidic and Evra being that both of them were quality footballers before, and became so again after bedding in. Konchesky has never remotely been in their league.... and unlike them, did not have to adapt to a completely different language, culture and the football played in the Premiership either.

That was before his own mother said some very unflattering things about Liverpool people. Konchesky was aghast about that; sorry, embarrassed, humiliated. He considered issuing a statement to say as much but nobody really wanted to know his side of the story.

Right, so saying nothing at all instead was obviously the right move.

A perfect storm was blowing against Konchesky when Kenny Dalglish walked in as manager – there were cheers when Konchesky was substituted in Hodgson's penultimate home match – and it is Liverpool's desire to assuage the fans, more than Konchesky's ability, which seems to have contributed to his ostracism since.

Which is of course why the equally disliked Christian Poulson has started several games under Kenny?

Warnock is certainly no better than Konchesky

And that is a certainty why?

Raul Meireles' display told us that Hodgson knew a good midfielder when he saw one, after all.

And then decided to play him out of position and in a system / style that he was completely unsuited to?

A question for this final week of the transfer window is whether Liverpool can look beyond the popular revolt which played such a significant part in seeing Hodgson through the door and acknowledge that he has equipped them well enough for a season in which the only achievements which ever really counted – the removal of two dreadful owners and discovery of an enlightened new one – have already been accomplished.

Yeah, Hodgson equipped us brilliantly... for a relegation struggle


Seriously though, people with a personal attachment to a player (which the author quite obviously does, claiming to know how he feels etc) should not be allowed to right articles like that for a respected newspaper. Appauling journalism, just really, really bad.

[dww]

Didnt Roy say he hadnt seen enough of Raul to know where to play him?

I'm pretty sure he said that he could play in several positions which is very different. Before Roy Left Raul praised the 'hard work' Roy put into signing him. There is a real danger of people being revisionist and looking poorly on everything Hodgson did.

**** him and his mates in the media

We've got someone we believe in now and no amount of excuses is going to cover the fact that some of these journos campaigned like crazy to get their man into the job

He got the job and couldnt perform, they can come up with any argument they want and it wont stand up because the bottom line is despite what Roy said about "nobody could do better than me with this squad" and the media have said "he inherited a terrible side", Kenny has come in and within 2 weeks has dramatically improved us

That credit belongs to the current coaching staff, not Roy. Just like the failings under Roy should be put on his (Roys not Rafas) CV

In general I agree with this. I do however think he should get credit where it is due too. It is clearly much less than the criticism he deserves anyway.

[Alex]

And who's scouting network gave RFH Meireles? Hrm?

Roy, you've been used.

**** off Purslow.

A stopped clock is right twice a day mate. Off all the things that Hodgeson did, this was the only good thing....possibly.

[Norbs]

That is a simply horribly article, absolutely awful.



Errrrrrr, ok, Tiger Woods says hello. What actual indignity has Konchesky suffered other than being dropped? He's hardly the first footballer to be less than well received by his fans or a manager. So this was written by one of PK's mates then. Good we cleared that up early then.



Hmmmmmm. Right



The rather substantial difference with Vidic and Evra being that both of them were quality footballers before, and became so again after bedding in. Konchesky has never remotely been in their league.... and unlike them, did not have to adapt to a completely different language, culture and the football played in the Premiership either.



Right, so saying nothing at all instead was obviously the right move.



Which is of course why the equally disliked Christian Poulson has started several games under Kenny?



And that is a certainty why?



And then decided to play him out of position and in a system / style that he was completely unsuited to?



Yeah, Hodgson equipped us brilliantly... for a relegation struggle


Seriously though, people with a personal attachment to a player (which the author quite obviously does, claiming to know how he feels etc) should not be allowed to right articles like that for a respected newspaper. Appauling journalism, just really, really bad.

Correct. And after 1 or 2 improving games, he's (CP) showing that he may have a future at the club after all. And if he doesn't, perhaps the fans will wish him all the best. Unlike PFK who will have a boot up his arse

[Lecter]

I'm pretty sure he said that he could play in several positions which is very different. Before Roy Left Raul praised the 'hard work' Roy put into signing him. There is a real danger of people being revisionist and looking poorly on everything Hodgson did.



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" I still dont know what Raul's best position is"

[RedReet]

Yet Liverpool looked at Bent too, according to the new director of football strategy, Damien Comolli, and they also seem ready to pay £15m for Ajax's Luis Suarez, whose record against good Dutch defences is incomparably poorer than against bad ones and whose prime proof of quality came at the last World Cup.

Overpaying for players who have just shone at a tournament is what Moneyball, the bible of sabermetrics, describes as "a tendency to be over influenced by a guy's most recent performance: what he did last was not necessarily what he would do next". And then there is Charlie Adam of Blackpool – a good midfielder with pace who has been attracting Aston Villa, Blackburn and Sunderland; the kind of clubs Liverpool have no ambition to emulate. A Liverpool player? No.

But at £3.5m Konchesky was a perfectly suitable buy for Liverpool

Bent, Suarez and Adam not good enough for ‘a club like Liverpool’, but Konchesky is perfectly suitable.

[dww]

" I still dont know what Raul's best position is"

Surely that is meant within the context of our side/his tactics? Obviously, Roy is his own worst any by the way he keeps talking and talking but I really do think taking everything he says in the worst possible light is unfair.

He wasn't up to the job, he got 'mutual consented'ed. We should just move on. I don't think he deserves the bitterness that is directed at him.

[barnes10]

I do feel sorry for PFK. It has been a disastrous move for him and he should get out quick for a fresh start.

I dont think he's nearly as bad a player as we've seen. He's struggled largely due to:

a) new team mates - defence needs good co-ordination and routine/drills. This takes time to bed in.

b) the whole team was sh1t under roy, this puts further pressure on a defence and especially new members of that defence.

I think that PFK is no worse than insua and is certainly as good as if not better than warnock.

His Mum's comments are the reason for him being ostracised imho. we're a family club & there's simply no way comments against the club and city can be overlooked like that. simply no-one really trusts him and can fully support him.

[Lecter]

Surely that is meant within the context of our side/his tactics? Obviously, Roy is his own worst any by the way he keeps talking and talking but I really do think taking everything he says in the worst possible light is unfair.

He wasn't up to the job, he got 'mutual consented'ed. We should just move on. I don't think he deserves the bitterness that is directed at him.

Hodgson was sacked, just like Rafa and Houllier before him

"Mutual consent" is LFC's polite way of letting a manager go with dignity

Incidentally is anyone hearing that Hodgsons departure might have been a tad acrimonious? Its certainly something I've heard whispered around

[Lecter]

I do feel sorry for PFK. It has been a disastrous move for him and he should get out quick for a fresh start.

I dont think he's nearly as bad a player as we've seen. He's struggled largely due to:

a) new team mates - defence needs good co-ordination and routine/drills. This takes time to bed in.

b) the whole team was sh1t under roy, this puts further pressure on a defence and especially new members of that defence.

I think that PFK is no worse than insua and is certainly as good as if not better than warnock.

His Mum's comments are the reason for him being ostracised imho. we're a family club & there's simply no way comments against the club and city can be overlooked like that. simply no-one really trusts him and can fully support him.

He just isnt good enough

Defensively hes poor he cant even do the basics and his ability on the ball is VERY poor

I've heard hes struggling with the new system & training

I dont think its anything to do with his mum's comments

[Arn]

Surely that is meant within the context of our side/his tactics? Obviously, Roy is his own worst any by the way he keeps talking and talking but I really do think taking everything he says in the worst possible light is unfair.

He wasn't up to the job, he got 'mutual consented'ed. We should just move on. I don't think he deserves the bitterness that is directed at him.

What tactics? I saw a manager that didn't have a clue how to use the squad so he packed the defence and hoped that Torres would deliver. He played so many players in the wrong way that you more or less is forced to call him an idiot. If you want to call it a tactic then the tactic was obviously to play to our players weaknesses instead of their strengths.

In short. Roy is acted like an idiot.

[barnes10]

He just isnt good enough

Defensively hes poor he cant even do the basics and his ability on the ball is VERY poor
I've heard hes struggling with the new system & training

I dont think its anything to do with his mum's comments

absolutely agreed based on his time with us. but based on his time elsewhere that simply isnt true.

what im basically saying is that his time with us has been a difficult one - that any player would struggle with. bit like saying that torres was very poor and couldnt do the basics. We knew it was because he had no service and was utterly demoralised but still, he looked very average and his value was plummeting. the first part of this season we clearly didnt see the best of him.

PFK hasnt been able to play to his best for one reason or another so its clearly time to move away. it just hasnt worked out.