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    Originally posted by Arn View Post
    The fans at Valencia wanted him to stay, most of us Liverpool fans wanted the same and most Inter fans wanted him to stay.
    Really?

    I thought he was pretty much viewed as a disaster.

    TBH I don't keep a close eye on Serie A these days, but I'd be interested to know why you think he would be missed there.

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      Originally posted by Cormack74 View Post
      Really?

      I thought he was pretty much viewed as a disaster.

      TBH I don't keep a close eye on Serie A these days, but I'd be interested to know why you think he would be missed there.
      Did you not see their banner proclaiming that the fans were the only one who were supporting him - implying they felt the players and board had let him down. Essentially injuries and a falling out with Sneijder seem to have done him in at Inter but the fans seemed to see a bigger picture.
      "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
      -- William Blake

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        Originally posted by dww View Post
        Did you not see their banner proclaiming that the fans were the only one who were supporting him - implying they felt the players and board had let him down. Essentially injuries and a falling out with Sneijder seem to have done him in at Inter but the fans seemed to see a bigger picture.
        For all Rafa's plus points and he is a very good manager - he does seem to fall out with players and boards frequently.

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          Originally posted by dww View Post
          Did you not see their banner proclaiming that the fans were the only one who were supporting him - implying they felt the players and board had let him down. Essentially injuries and a falling out with Sneijder seem to have done him in at Inter but the fans seemed to see a bigger picture.


          Originally posted by rcasemore View Post
          For all Rafa's plus points and he is a very good manager - he does seem to fall out with players and boards frequently.
          Rafa challenged Moratti and that is something you simply don't do. There was only one way it was going to end after that. Moratti loves Inter but he also want 100% control of things. Challenge him about anything and your finished. It is HIS team.
          Stop the cyberhate


          from now on I will skip talking about our finances. That is a promise and will save myself from looking like a

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            Originally posted by Arn View Post
            The fans at Valencia wanted him to stay, most of us Liverpool fans wanted the same and most Inter fans wanted him to stay,What Rafa always want to do is to work long term at a club. Build up the club, build a legacy. He don't want a short term fix.

            That is the way he worked with us. Six years was just a part of his long term plans that included building up the Academy and a new stadium. Like Wenger did at Arsenal.

            Henry have talked about doing it the Arsenal way and if he really want to do that then there isn't any better man to do that out there than Rafa.

            That is the way he want to work, the Arsenal way.

            There is better managers out there if you want to do it in other ways but not if you want someone to build a legacy.
            Simply not true.

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              Originally posted by Arn View Post




              Rafa challenged Moratti and that is something you simply don't do. There was only one way it was going to end after that. Moratti loves Inter but he also want 100% control of things. Challenge him about anything and your finished. It is HIS team.
              It is a recurring problem though.

              As I said good manager but he clearly needs work on his people skills and man management.

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                Originally posted by rcasemore View Post
                It is a recurring problem though.

                As I said good manager but he clearly needs work on his people skills and man management.
                As it is with Maureen, and many top managers, it's called ego, the best most successful managers usually have a huge one.

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                  they do indeed BUT with Maureen he left as a winner from his last two jobs.

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                    Originally posted by dww View Post
                    Did you not see their banner proclaiming that the fans were the only one who were supporting him - implying they felt the players and board had let him down. Essentially injuries and a falling out with Sneijder seem to have done him in at Inter but the fans seemed to see a bigger picture.
                    No like I said, I rarely see Serie A these days , hence my question.

                    I know he fell out with the players and the board and with Italians being a bit fickle at times I assumed that the fans might be missing the winning streak that Mourinho achieved.

                    Out of interest when was the banner displayed?

                    I should imagine it could only have been after the world club championship victory.

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                      To say that Rafa falls out with boards is simply rubbish.

                      Look at the situation at Valencia. The board pissed on him. We had first Parry and then Gillett, Hicks and Purslow........I would have been very disappointed if Rafa wouldn't stood up for what he believed in, the club.

                      Parry pissed on him and so did Gillett, Hicks and Purslow.

                      He challenged a power mad man at Inter. A man that you simply don't challenge about anything.

                      Rafa is a very proud man and won't accept to see the club he is at being treated in a bad way. He will speak out about it. That is why most fans respect him very much. He don't accept that the owners run the club as a toy. He want what is best for the club and the fans.

                      Rafa will always put the club he is at before what is best for himself. He did that at Valencia, us and Inter.
                      Stop the cyberhate


                      from now on I will skip talking about our finances. That is a promise and will save myself from looking like a

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                        no it isnt rubbish arn

                        you may agree with the reasons for the fallout as do i but it doesnt mean he doesnt fall out with them

                        also other managers have problems with boards but dont fall out with them like Rafa does

                        occasionally just a little perspective please

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                          Compare that with Fergie who is very much a yes man that is to afraid to challenge Glazer. He is the biggest reason to why Glazer hasn't sold up yet IMO.

                          If he had challenged them then they would have been gone without any doubt at all but he don't want to risk his job doing it.

                          Rafa challenged our board and helped us to get rid of them.
                          Stop the cyberhate


                          from now on I will skip talking about our finances. That is a promise and will save myself from looking like a

                          Susan Black

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                            Originally posted by Marsh View Post
                            no it isnt rubbish arn

                            you may agree with the reasons for the fallout as do i but it doesnt mean he doesnt fall out with them

                            also other managers have problems with boards but dont fall out with them like Rafa does

                            occasionally just a little perspective please


                            I should have said that he falls out with them for very good reasons. He want what is best for the club. He will fight for it even if it may cost him his job.
                            Stop the cyberhate


                            from now on I will skip talking about our finances. That is a promise and will save myself from looking like a

                            Susan Black

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                              Originally posted by Marsh View Post
                              no it isnt rubbish arn

                              you may agree with the reasons for the fallout as do i but it doesnt mean he doesnt fall out with them

                              also other managers have problems with boards but dont fall out with them like Rafa does

                              occasionally just a little perspective please
                              Falling out isn't a bad thing when a revolution is needed. Rafa wants it his way, that's probably where problems may lie with him. I don't see much difference in the way Mourihno handles his relationship with his owners as well, he's fell out with most of them too.
                              Are we winning?

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                                Originally posted by rcasemore View Post
                                they do indeed BUT with Maureen he left as a winner from his last two jobs.
                                He happened to be extremely well backed in his last two jobs too, and was at clubs not in turmoil over ownership or with agenda ridden board members.

                                ps. As far as i'm concerned anyway, Rafa left liverpool a winner in my eyes, ALL things considered.
                                Last edited by Vermilion; 07-04-11, 10:39 AM.

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