Jon Flanagan

[Fosterbloke]

Fair, and i understand people would disagree with me.

But i seriously believe we are all capable of bad things in certain circumstances, which is why for first offences I am more on the tolerant side.

(And no, i have never hit a woman, or a man for that matter).

Sorry but that's not a mistake, that's a serious character flaw. It sends a bad message to the community if we're seen to be supporting people like this.

He's a violent offender with no mitigating circumstances around his behaviour.

In short he's a two bit cunt and deserves the boot.

[EwarWoo]

which is why for first offences I am more on the tolerant side.

Some things should never be tolerated.

I do believe it's fair he gets a second chance after he deals with his issues and can demonstrate he's rehabilitated, but meanwhile he can face the consequences of his actions which will hopefully also go towards helping to motivate his rehabilitation.

Labeling it a mistake is like saying it's OK. It's a one off. It won't happen again. No action necessary. It's excusing it.

It's not a mistake. It's an unacceptable behavior that needs to be addressed.

[Kenneth]

I think there should be exceptions to your rule based on the nature of the offence

Kicking a person whilst they are on the floor, having got there via the wall that they were smashed into probably comes under that category

You're embellishing the known information there, nowhere does it say 'smashed'. Even with the witness statements we still don't actually know the severity of the incident. The club will, and they will deal with it appropriately I'm sure.

Labeling it a mistake is like saying it's OK. It's a one off. It won't happen again. No action necessary. It's excusing it.

It's not a mistake. It's an unacceptable behavior that needs to be addressed.

Labelling it a mistake isn't equivalent to saying it's ok, or that no action is required or excusing it. Mistake doesn't mean accident. Mistake and unacceptable behavior aren't necessarily mutually exclusive either.



The guys obviously been a ****** but us lot virtue signalling isn't edifying either.

[Big-Red-Ed]

We probably would all be fired from our jobs for gross misconduct for this. No difference for Flanno. My employer wouldn't be asked to rehab me.

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[Kenneth]

We probably would all be fired from our jobs for gross misconduct for this. No difference for Flanno. My employer wouldn't be asked to rehab me.

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That probably isn't true unless the conviction was relevant to our employment or was likely to bring reputable damage to the employer. But in Flanagan's case, the latter is clearly true. I'm sure we have reason to end his employment, and I suspect we will, but I do not think an assault conviction is an automatic dismissal for everyone.

[Corndog]

yea fair point and to be honest, he's got an incredibly easy life relative to the vast majority of the community.

28k a week, he has more than enough resources to get himself rehabilitated but at the end of the day, he doesn't have a mental disorder or a disease does he? He's supposed to be an adult who would have known what he was doing was wrong, inebriated or otherwise.

There's absolutely no excuse for it. I think his sentencing was pretty lenient.

One of the consequences should be that he loses his job, anything else sends the wrong message imo.

[Corndog]

That probably isn't true unless the conviction was relevant to our employment or was likely to bring reputable damage to the employer. But in Flanagan's case, the latter is clearly true. I'm sure we have reason to end his employment, and I suspect we will, but I do not think an assault conviction is an automatic dismissal for everyone.

I can only speak for the employers I have had, it absolutely would result in dismissal if it was domestic abuse.

[Big-Red-Ed]

I can only speak for the employers I have had, it absolutely would result in dismissal if it was domestic abuse.

Me also and it's in my current terms and conditions.

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[kev776]

Gross Misconduct - Instant dismissal.

[Kenneth]

Well fortunately the club, and any knowledgeable employer, understands that instant dismissal is never the answer and that due process has to be followed in all cases.

[Corndog]

Well fortunately the club, and any knowledgeable employer, understands that instant dismissal is never the answer and that due process has to be followed in all cases.

Due process has been taken. He pleaded guilty to assaulting a women and has been sentenced.

If you're talking about the internal process at the club, then your argument is purely semantical based on the word 'instant'.

I'm sure most employers would review the legal situation and then dismiss their employee if they legally could pretty quickly.

There are lots of knowledgeable employers who would do so and I think the club should come to that outcome on this occasion.

[Kenneth]

It's not semantical at all. Non prejudicial suspension, investigation of the facts, notification of outcome in person, opportunity to appeal. It may be swift but not instant.

[Snigger]

Whatever the club's disciplinary policy states that should happen to him, is what should happen to him. IMO

Unlikely they have a clause on beating up your girlfriend, he's a ****ing tit - no time for blokes who beat women - bin him off.

[dom9]

Unlikely they have a clause on beating up your girlfriend, he's a ****ing tit - no time for blokes who beat women - bin him off.

Well, it's unlikely to be that specific but I haven't seen it.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was something around criminal convictions in there though. Or good / bad off field behaviour etc etc.

[Snigger]

It will be generic