City post match

[Craig_H]

That's harsh.

They wanted to be fair when they came, took a step back and gave Roy time to prove himself. You can't blame them for that.

Granted, they could have sacked him 2 or 3 games before they did but I'm not sure it would have made a huge difference.

Instead of sniping at the owners we should be reflect on how far the club has come in the last twelve months. We're in much better shape under FSG then we've been for a long time and with the noises they've been making there's a lot more to come from them.

Between them coming in and Hodgson being ditched, we played 13 PL games, in which we dropped 20 points. Now i'm not saying Kenny would've won all the games in that period, but considering some of those 20 points dropped went courtesy of defeats at home to Wolves, away at Blackburn, Stoke, Everton and Newcastle, plus drawing at lowly Wigan, i think it's fair to say that bringing Kenny in immediately would've had us in the top 4 right now.

And they were new owners, they hadnt appointed Hodgson so that was the perfect easy excuse to sack him.

I'm not saying we should dwell on it, but they made a poor decision in sticking with Hodgson for so long and had they done better with that decision, we'd be playing CL football next year.

[Lecter]

I remember you and i, among others, kept saying it, one dismal result after the next. And they still waited.

And their doubts, IMO, were all about what's happening now - Kenny once again being the hero of the Kop and being nigh-on impossible to shift. I dont think FSG wanted to end up in such a powerless position.

The funny thing is I think they have learned more about sacking Roy and appoiinting Kenny when they did than they would have if they had sacked Roy months before and appointed someone else

[The Erectile Banana]

The blame can be layed at the door of many a person mate, mistake after mistake is why we are where we are, or were, should I say.

I just think FSG should have gambled sooner and I said it at the time, just like as Arn points out, many others did. But that's the past and there's nothing we can do to change things.

I always said I would judge FSG on who we start with come Septmber 1st 2011 and I'll not be changing my mind on that. Who they get as manager and who they sign as players will dictate how far we have come.

I agree with you completely - I was crying out for Hodgson to get the flick. I can see where FSG were coming from though and why they took their time about it.

I think that in the long run they're going to prove to be very good owners.

[Craig_H]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing...

We were saying it at the time mate, this isnt hindsight.

[Daffy Duck]

Has anyone seen Lucas hugging a steward during the first goal celebrations? What a legend!!

[yamiedo]

One of our best performances this season, everybody was outstanding. Kenny was on form with his tactics.

[Craig_H]

The funny thing is I think they have learned more about sacking Roy and appoiinting Kenny when they did than they would have if they had sacked Roy months before and appointed someone else

They could have sacked roy months earlier and appointed kenny

[Ben_Itez]

I remember you and i, among others, kept saying it, one dismal result after the next. And they still waited.

And their doubts, IMO, were all about what's happening now - Kenny once again being the hero of the Kop and being nigh-on impossible to shift. I dont think FSG wanted to end up in such a powerless position.

Especially the bit in bold.

If they just pretend Kenny is about 40 (well he bloody looks it) then he ticks all their boxes.

[DannyMan2006]

I remember you and i, among others, kept saying it, one dismal result after the next. And they still waited.

And their doubts, IMO, were all about what's happening now - Kenny once again being the hero of the Kop and being nigh-on impossible to shift. I dont think FSG wanted to end up in such a powerless position.

Nail on head.

But in fairness, if they had got Kenny in sooner and he had got us 4th, I can't see why they would have needed to change. Kenny said from the word go, if I don't do well and Liverpool can find someone better, I'll be happy to stand aside.

Personally, I'm in two minds myself. He's done a great job on some fronts, but we still have problems away from home but I guess you can only work with what he's got. I think Kenny likes to play with wide men, he always has, so must be frustrating to be at the club when we have little to no width.

The biggest thing for me though is his age, I'd love a top coach to come in and build a dynasty. But if Kenny stays I'll also be happy, so it's win win.

[Lecter]

They could have sacked roy months earlier and appointed kenny

Hmm thats a fair point BUT...

I think it took plumetting to the depths of the table to realise the predicament we were in and to unite the support behind Kenny

Kenny coming in earlier would not have been as "universally accepted" as only truefan99 and Man U fans thoughts he'd be a disaster

[The Erectile Banana]

Between them coming in and Hodgson being ditched, we played 13 PL games, in which we dropped 20 points. Now i'm not saying Kenny would've won all the games in that period, but considering some of those 20 points dropped went courtesy of defeats at home to Wolves, away at Blackburn, Stoke, Everton and Newcastle, plus drawing at lowly Wigan, i think it's fair to say that bringing Kenny in immediately would've had us in the top 4 right now.

And they were new owners, they hadnt appointed Hodgson so that was the perfect easy excuse to sack him.

I'm not saying we should dwell on it, but they made a poor decision in sticking with Hodgson for so long and had they done better with that decision, we'd be playing CL football next year.

Was it 13 games? It doesn't seem that many now.

I can't argue with the figures you've presented me with here, but hindsight is a great gift. There was no guarantee that Kenny was going to have such an impact, in fact many here were fearful of him taking charge as they thought he was out of the game too long.

As I said to DannyMan - I agree that Hodgson should have been sacked sooner, but I can understand, to an extent, why they delayed the decision

[Buzzo]

I remember you and i, among others, kept saying it, one dismal result after the next. And they still waited.

And their doubts, IMO, were all about what's happening now - Kenny once again being the hero of the Kop and being nigh-on impossible to shift. I dont think FSG wanted to end up in such a powerless position.

I wanted Bodgson gone before FSG even came in! The away game at citeh rings a bell as the time the hodgson tide began turning, 2nd game of the season, but I had NEVER seen us beaten like that.

[Fosterbloke]

We were saying it at the time mate, this isnt hindsight.

Yes but no one knew how Kenny would do or if Bodge would turn it around. Kenny might have been as big a disaster as Bodge for all we knew...

FSG needed Bodge to dig a suitably large hole before pushing him into it.

[little dave hedgehog]

I wanted Bodgson gone before FSG even came in! The away game at citeh rings a bell as the time the hodgson tide began turning, 2nd game of the season, but I had NEVER seen us beaten like that.

same. but it's all pretty irrelevant now. we aren't going to change the past any.

[Craig_H]

Yes but no one knew how Kenny would do or if Bodge would turn it around. Kenny might have been as big a disaster as Bodge for all we knew...

Nobody 'knows' for sure, but obviously you decide who you want as a manager based on an educated idea of how well you think he'd do - we didnt want Hodgson gone and Kenny brought in as a result of a lucky dip we drew