Luis Suárez

[Lee]

Am still reeling from Keegan leaving Liverpool to join Hamburger fc

You probably only found out last week though.

[Bender]

I dunno, I think he'll give us another season.

Agree that he deserves to be playing in the CL, but if we can make a couple of good signings early doors in the summer then I think he'll opt to stay for one more season.

If we don't qualify for the CL next season then I think he'll be off.

Just my humble opinion.

As long as he works his bollocks off whilst he's here (which he will) and leaves on good terms then I won't begrudge him a move.

If we spend big [if] and sign one or two top players that might convince louis to stay for another season

[Bender]

You probably only found out last week though.

Tell about it and i was ironically eating a hamburger,i went for the ketchup and realised hamburger>>>>>>>> keegan>>>>>hamburg >>>>>>>noooooooooo

[Lee]

Tell about it and i was ironically eating a hamburger

Wimpy.

[Lecter]

If we spend big [if] and sign one or two top players that might convince louis to stay for another season

Top players cost money both in terms of fees and wages

How do you manage to sign them when you are looking to cut the wage bill further?

[Bender]

Wimpy.

Wimpy ? doubt there's any around my way

[Bender]

Top players cost money both in terms of fees and wages

How do you manage to sign them when you are looking to cut the wage bill further?

yeah they sure do .....well i guess our days of spending big are long gone

[dom9]

I'm sceptical about players loyalty these days

Suarez's attitude on the pitch is the massive difference between him and Torres

You know Suarez will give his all till the day hes gone

He deserves Champions League football as you say and hes far better than we are at this moment in time

He'll have a chance to leave this summer and I expect him to take it

These days? Nothing more than a ridiculous myth imo.

"Loyalty" exists among a very small minority of players like Gerrard and Carragher. Always has done and nothing has changed. And players are much more likely to be "loyal" to a club when they are likely to be succesful. Would Giggs and Scholes still be at United if they were a mid-table table team? Same with Terry at Chelsea. Same with our players throughout the 70s and 80s.

I remember in the 80s when there might have been a rare one-club player retiring (I can't think of any examples) and people used to say that this kind of loyalty was practicaly a thing of a past. Imo, the number of one club players at the top clubs has increased massively in the past 15 years. i.e from practically none, to a handful.

[The Birdman]

Top players cost money both in terms of fees and wages

How do you manage to sign them when you are looking to cut the wage bill further?

Where's that bit come from Lec?

[The Birdman]

These days? Nothing more than a ridiculous myth imo.

"Loyalty" exists among a very small minority of players like Gerrard and Carragher. Always has done and nothing has changed. And players are much more likely to be "loyal" to a club when they are likely to be succesful. Would Giggs and Scholes still be at United if they were a mid-table table team? Same with Terry at Chelsea. Same with our players throughout the 70s and 80s.

I remember in the 80s when there might have been a rare one-club player retiring (I can't think of any examples) and people used to say that this kind of loyalty was practicaly a thing of a past. Imo, the number of one club players at the top clubs has increased massively in the past 15 years. i.e from practically none, to a handful.

Yep, 'loyalty' and success go hand in hand.

[Tribute]

Top players cost money both in terms of fees and wages

How do you manage to sign them when you are looking to cut the wage bill further?

...but isn't that what we're looking to do by offloading the likes of Carroll, Spearing and a few others who've been off the pace since Xmas, and then we've got the wage bill savings from Carra's retirement... Surely that brings in cash to top up the kitty and frees up monthly wages bill for some incoming activity...?

[Lecter]

These days? Nothing more than a ridiculous myth imo.

"Loyalty" exists among a very small minority of players like Gerrard and Carragher. Always has done and nothing has changed. And players are much more likely to be "loyal" to a club when they are likely to be succesful. Would Giggs and Scholes still be at United if they were a mid-table table team? Same with Terry at Chelsea. Same with our players throughout the 70s and 80s.

I remember in the 80s when there might have been a rare one-club player retiring (I can't think of any examples) and people used to say that this kind of loyalty was practicaly a thing of a past. Imo, the number of one club players at the top clubs has increased massively in the past 15 years. i.e from practically none, to a handful.

There was plenty back in the late 60's, 70' & 80's it just wasnt publicsed because it wasnt unusual

Heres a few that immediately spring to mind

Billy Liddel, Ronnie Moran, Gerry Byrne, Brian Labone*, Jimmy Arnfield, Eddie Gray, Jack Charlton

Theres probably many more from the lower league teams as well back then




* bit inaccurate because Labone use to frequently turn out for the King Harry Pub Sunday League side whilst playing for Everton

[Lecter]

...but isn't that what we're looking to do by offloading the likes of Carroll, Spearing and a few others who've been off the pace since Xmas, and then we've got the wage bill savings from Carra's retirement... Surely that brings in cash to top up the kitty and frees up monthly wages bill for some incoming activity...?

Yes that brings cash in but top players also demand big salaries and dare I say that those savings you have listed above could easily be swallowed up by the signing of a couple of top players

[Lecter]

Where's that bit come from Lec?

Was either in the accounts briefing by Ian Ayre or the Echo cant remember

Said something along the lines of the long term goal being to cut the wage bill further

[Neil Young]

There was plenty back in the late 60's, 70' & 80's it just wasnt publicsed because it wasnt unusual

Heres a few that immediately spring to mind

Billy Liddel, Ronnie Moran, Gerry Byrne, Brian Labone, Jimmy Arnfield, Eddie Gray, Jack Charlton

Theres probably many more from the lower league teams as well back then

Or maybe players just moved around less because the wages weren't as good so the cost of upheaval in their personal lives wasn't worth it, etc. Do we even know whether there are more transfers these days? I'd guess it's likely.

It depends on whether you define loyalty as a state of mind (he's loyal because he chose to stay at one club) or simply a feature of behaviour (he's loyal because he stayed at one club). It's often not easy to distinguish the former from the latter but I suspect the fatuous tossers on TV who trot out the cliché about loyalty being a thing of the past haven't got quite that far.