Luis Suárez

[Robbie-9-Fowler]

Coutinho is an excellent player but as long as we don't play in the CL it is a big risk that he will leave.

That is just the way it is.

I have already said what I believe happened but it is just my opinion. One fans opinion.

I believe the club and Suarez that we wouldn't stand in his way if he wanted to leave after the 2012-13 season if he signed a new deal. That is the reason that he signed it IMO.

I won't blame the club and I won't blame the player.

I won't even be surprised if Suarez agent talked to a few clubs last season.

It is football.

That's very possible mate but its put us in a good position to get a better price for him IMO. Suarez himself will probably be to blame for his value not being higher with all the off field stuff other clubs will certainly not like.

If what you say turned out to be true, the owners kept us Suarez for an extra 12 months and now we have a better squad more ready to deal with it. Rodgers had been here a year and wouldn't be starting off with his back to the wall and we've got other players like Coutinho and Sturridge that young talents can look at and think I wouldn't mind a piece of that.

[Arn]

But you've got a beef against FSG?

The reason to that is that they signed up a manager that needed a learning year or maybe even longer than that.

Rodgers may or may not be good enough. He wasn't good enough last season and he admitted that himself, the learning year and all that.

IMO they shouldn't made a gamble like that. They should have signed up a manager like Pellegrini or Capello. Someone that didn't need a learning year.

I have already accepted that Rafa isn't an option.

[Robbie-9-Fowler]

The reason to that is that they signed up a manager that needed a learning year or maybe even longer than that.

Rodgers may or may not be good enough. He wasn't good enough last season and he admitted that himself, the learning year and all that.

IMO they shouldn't made a gamble like that. They should have signed up a manager like Pellegrini or Capello. Someone that didn't need a learning year.

I have already accepted that Rafa isn't an option.

Capello is a dinosaur.

And Rafa certainly should have been an option, that's up there with the most ridiculous decisions I've ever came across. Not to appoint him, but to speak with him. They didn't consider him good enough? Then they are either badly advised or clueless which is worrying. Either way I'm quite happy with Rodgers but agree learning on the job isn't ideal.

[kev776]

But you've got a beef against FSG?

No, Arn has a beef against Rafa (I think)

[Muddled]

I think Arn likes Rafa, but has beef with FSG.

And Ayre.

And to a lesser extent, Gerrard.

And our PR.

And our transfer dealings.

And Rodgers for not being Ancelotti or Van Gaal.

And our marketing departmenzzzzzzzzzz.

[Sarb]

The reason to that is that they signed up a manager that needed a learning year or maybe even longer than that.

Rodgers may or may not be good enough. He wasn't good enough last season and he admitted that himself, the learning year and all that.

IMO they shouldn't made a gamble like that. They should have signed up a manager like Pellegrini or Capello. Someone that didn't need a learning year.

I have already accepted that Rafa isn't an option.

Arn, maybe they didn't want a quick fix. Maybe they didn't fancy pumping in hundreds of millions so that we can get into the Top 4 straight away then lumbered with players who we won't be able to shift in about 3 years time.

Maybe, they decided to follow a plan involving a 2-3 year period, developing the club and promoting a younger team and working to a plan much like Dortmund did. I can totally understand why they opted for a manager like Rodgers

[saj]

For some reason, even though I think he's a much better player than Torres there doesn't seem to be a big a reaction from the fans about him leaving. Me included, just feel more nothingness about it! I think we'd be much, much better if he stays but with Torres I remember feeling sick when he left.

IMO it's for no reason. Since January we've had Coutinho and Sturridge come in. If those 2 hadn't come in, we might be a little lost. But the fact is we have more creative players and game changers now. We are no longer heavily reliant on Suarez.

I couldn't care if he leaves providing it's for the right fee. As someone said, it's a win win if we get £50m + for him. We could potentially invest the money with a couple of World class players which will leave is better off IMO. He's an amazing player. One of the best players I've seen in a Liverpool shirt. But the fact is, he is his own worst enemy some times. He thinks the grass is greener in Espana, well he clearly is a bit clueless or has a **** agent. The press are far more relentless in Madrid. And he isn't guarenteed a first team place there. I wonder how it will effect his morale when he's sat on the bench at Madrid - he'll probably bite the manager

[Robbie-9-Fowler]

IMO it's for no reason. Since January we've had Coutinho and Sturridge come in. If those 2 hadn't come in, we might be a little lost. But the fact is we have more creative players and game changers now. We are no longer heavily reliant on Suarez.

I couldn't care if he leaves providing it's for the right fee. As someone said, it's a win win if we get £50m + for him. We could potentially invest the money with a couple of World class players which will leave is better off IMO. He's an amazing player. One of the best players I've seen in a Liverpool shirt. But the fact is, he is his own worst enemy some times. He thinks the grass is greener in Espana, well he clearly is a bit clueless or has a **** agent. The press are far more relentless in Madrid. And he isn't guarenteed a first team place there. I wonder how it will effect his morale when he's sat on the bench at Madrid - he'll probably bite the manager

We'll need a goalscorer no doubt, Sturridge and his injuries are becoming a worry aren't they. If we can spend £25m roughly replacing him and spend the rest improving the squad we'll be fine going forward.

As I've seen mentioned though its important not to slip into the Arsenal cycle of getting excited about young players and the repeating it year in year out for what seems like an eternity.

[Fredo]

The reason to that is that they signed up a manager that needed a learning year or maybe even longer than that.

Rodgers may or may not be good enough. He wasn't good enough last season and he admitted that himself, the learning year and all that.

IMO they shouldn't made a gamble like that. They should have signed up a manager like Pellegrini or Capello. Someone that didn't need a learning year.

I have already accepted that Rafa isn't an option.

But if they've agreed to the fact that it was going to take 3 years at least to be really competitive and are prepared to give time to Rodgers to implement a system which was going to be sustainable long term, then I don't see an issue with it. Or maybe you want us to compete straight away and quickly?

I think it's easy to realise that FSG cannot afford to splash that much money simply because they have agreed to follow the FFP model and secondly, there is the small matter of financing a stadium as well.

It was always going to be a choice between short term success (and maybe forsaking the long term feasibility of the club) and doing what they are doing now, that is building a long term project.

[Muddled]

But if they've agreed to the fact that it was going to take 3 years at least to be really competitive and are prepared to give time to Rodgers to implement a system which was going to be sustainable long term, then I don't see an issue with it. Or maybe you want us to compete straight away and quickly?

I think it's easy to realise that FSG cannot afford to splash that much money simply because they have agreed to follow the FFP model and secondly, there is the small matter of financing a stadium as well.

It was always going to be a choice between short term success (and maybe forsaking the long term feasibility of the club) and doing what they are doing now, that is building a long term project.

Boom! Nailed. +1.

[saj]

We'll need a goalscorer no doubt, Sturridge and his injuries are becoming a worry aren't they. If we can spend £25m roughly replacing him and spend the rest improving the squad we'll be fine going forward.

As I've seen mentioned though its important not to slip into the Arsenal cycle of getting excited about young players and the repeating it year in year out for what seems like an eternity.

Yeah He's made of glass. Not single glazed like Aurelio, but more double glazed glass! We've hopefully got Aspas coming in which will provide with more goals and assists. And if that Henrikh comes then wow, we have even more goals coming in from other areas.

[Scratch]

Unfortunately, I believe he is right.

I'm fairly certain that Suarez has told the club he wants to go and it's now up to the club to get the maximum value for him.

Unless of course the club have told him to get stuffed (as per our "not for sale" quote) and Suarez is only going to get a move if he hands in a formal request.

[Robbie-9-Fowler]

Yeah He's made of glass. Not single glazed like Aurelio, but more double glazed glass! We've hopefully got Aspas coming in which will provide with more goals and assists. And if that Henrikh comes then wow, we have even more goals coming in from other areas.

I think the price needs to come down a fair bit for a deal to be made with Shakhtar, they're very much like dealing with Porto. Saying that, if our scouts and Rodgers are all in agreement that he'd be an important player for us with Suarez money we might well go for it. If we sign him though and Suarez decides to stay could we afford to spend so much? Hopefully the Suarez situation is sorted early in the window.

[Arn]

But if they've agreed to the fact that it was going to take 3 years at least to be really competitive and are prepared to give time to Rodgers to implement a system which was going to be sustainable long term, then I don't see an issue with it. Or maybe you want us to compete straight away and quickly?

I think it's easy to realise that FSG cannot afford to splash that much money simply because they have agreed to follow the FFP model and secondly, there is the small matter of financing a stadium as well.

It was always going to be a choice between short term success (and maybe forsaking the long term feasibility of the club) and doing what they are doing now, that is building a long term project.

They could have done it both long and short term without any problem at all but for some reason the man that would have been able to do it and it wouldn't even been a gamble wasn't even considered.

You know who I'm talking about, Rafa

Someone should ask Ayre why.

IMO Ayre let a personal agenda against Rafa stand in the way for what would have been the best option for the club. That is why I didn't see Rafa as option and never will be an option as long as Ayre is still at the club.

Should of course never happen. We should have signed up the best possible option, Rafa.

If we would have done that then we would IMO be playing CL football the coming season.

So short and long term thinking was 100% possible.

[Fredo]

They could have done it both long and short term without any problem at all but for some reason the man that would have been able to do it and it wouldn't even been a gamble wasn't even considered.

You know who I'm talking about, Rafa

Someone should ask Ayre why.

IMO Ayre let a personal agenda against Rafa stand in the way for what would have been the best option for the club. That is why I didn't see Rafa as option and never will be an option as long as Ayre is still at the club.

Should of course never happen. We should have signed up the best possible option, Rafa.

If we would have done that then we would IMO be playing CL football the coming season.

So short and long term thinking was 100% possible.

Arn's own version of Godwin's law. It all leads to Rafa.

Rafa