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    Here is the Indy article:

    Watching Reginald D Hunter at the PFA awards on Sunday night, I was struck by the fact that here was a talented, interesting comedian whose material required careful consideration. He was challenging. He was on the edge. He was the right man, albeit at the wrong event at the wrong time.

    Hunter is a black American comedian who was born in Georgia but is a long-term resident of Britain and a regular on Have I Got News for You. He began his act by explaining that he used the word "n*****", or "n****", under its alternative spelling, liberally in his set. He said that he used it to refer to all races and all people. He said that he knew very little about football.

    He went on to use "n*****" to refer to Luis Suarez in a joke soon after and there was a sharp intake of breath from the people around me.

    Unfortunately, there is little room at the moment for nuance when it comes to English football. Certainly, in the independent regulatory commission ruling on the Suarez and Patrice Evra episode in 2011, the commission found "Whether the words or behaviour are abusive or insulting is an objective matter; it does not depend on whether the alleged offender intended his words to be abusive or insulting."

    In other words, you can contextualise all you like, but a racial slur is a racial slur. Hunter, as he said more than once, during his set, is more accustomed to small comedy clubs, full of comedy aficionados, than big hotel ballrooms full of football people for whom the comedy act is something of an afterthought.

    We should also remember that comedians are not governed by the rules of the Football Association, even those hired by the PFA - a small but crucial point in the circumstances.

    I was made aware from conversations with people in the aftermath that some of the black people in the room - including Clarke Carlisle, the PFA chairman - had been unhappy at the set, although I did not see Clarke personally to ask him. Others had found it funny and perceptive.

    Just for the record, Hunter also made an involved observation about Jewish people that I found more difficult to reconcile. He said that he had recently returned from touring Ireland, "or as I call it," he added, "the white West Indies". I think he was on pretty safe ground there.

    It would have been a safer bet for the PFA to hire a comedian who did not stray into such awkward territory. It might have been kinder on Hunter not to expose him to such a difficult, albeit polite, crowd before he embarks on a national tour. He seemed to feel from the audience reaction that he bombed. My view would be that a lot of the audience, were interested by what he was saying but a little unsure how to react without offending others around them.

    As for the boos for Suarez's name when he was announced as one of the players in the PFA Premier League team of the year, one should bear in mind that by that point drink had been taken. The room was full of Football League footballers unwinding after a long season, and a fair few corporate guests in a room of around 2,000 people. As one of the few who was stone cold sober, I could say with certainty that there was no maliciousness in the booing I heard.

    It would be overstating it to suggest it was anything other than a boisterous reaction by those who felt they were on safe ground booing a man who has been universally condemned for his recent actions. When it came to Hunter's altogether more complicated act, even those who had had a few by that stage were not quite sure what to say.
    Oh I don't know.

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      We know enough by now to realise that where English football and Luis Suarez is concerned then double standards are the norm.

      Makes me sick seeing total whoppers, morally defunct and smarmy ****s like Gordon Taylor anywhere near the game.
      Last edited by Vermilion; 29-04-13, 02:25 PM.

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        Adam Nathan ‏@adamdnathan
        Clarke Carlisle is absolutely going to TOWN on the PFA on TalkSport right now on the hiring of Reginald D Hunter. Interesting listening.
        Mike McGrath ‏@mcgrathmike
        Clarke Carlisle has just admitted he's putting his own position on the line over view on PFA comedian on @talksport He's fuming
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          PFA chairman Carlisle 'embarrassed' after comedian at awards dinner performs set littered with n-word outbursts and Suarez jokes as Kick It Out chairman asks 'Why do we bother?'

          PFA chairman Clarke Carlisle has admitted he is embarrassed over the 'gross error of judgement' that saw the selection of controversial comedian Reginald D Hunter as the entertainment for the PFA Awards dinner.

          Hunter repeatedly used the n-word, including jokes about Luis Suarez, in his set at the awards, which saw Gareth Bale scoop both the Player of the Year and Young Player of the Year awards.

          The incident comes at the end of a season in which the PFA has been at the centre of race storms involving John Terry, Ashley Cole, Anton Ferdinand, Rio Ferdinand and Suarez.





          Carlisle apologised for the booking, saying: 'As the chairman I am embarrassed. I apologise unreservedly and it won’t happen again on my watch.

          'I thought that we made a really gross error of judgement in who we selected for our entertainment last night. I was embarrassed.

          'All that has gone on in football over the past few years, with everything that we purport to stand for, his set was inappropriate, it really was.

          'It took the focus away from what should have been a momentous occasion for both Gareth Bale and Kim Little.

          'I am not going to lambast Reginald D Hunter and what he does because comedy is subjective and if that is his repertoire, to take issues like race and Judaism to the nth degree, then that is entirely up to him.

          'My experience of him is on the satirical shows where he is probably milder than he is down the comedy club. But last night it wasn’t a comedy club. It is the showpiece of the year where you have got the whole spectrum of races and cultures and the whole spectrum of the footballing family. And it is supposed to be a celebration and I think that we got that totally wrong.

          'It was a massive mistake by the PFA and I am embarrassed because he was facetious about the issues that we feel really strongly about.

          'From a personal point of view I am embarrassed about what was put forward, I am embarrassed about this man coming forward and saying that in the name of entertainment.

          Carlisle admitted the debacle involving Hunter's performance may stop the dinner hosting a comedian in the future.

          'We have to have to address whether we bother with a comedian in future because it is not the first year that our entertainment has fallen on its face,' he said.

          'And if we do, we need to vet far more strongly who we do recruit and prep them before they go on stage about what we feel is suitable for the audience we have in the room.

          'I am going to sit down with my colleagues at the PFA at the earliest opportunity. Everyone stayed over last night. Last night was a celebration and people let their hair down. We wanted them to get home safely and tomorrow the discussions will start.

          'I want to apologise unreservedly to all who were offended. The way that some of the issues that we have felt strongly about over the last few years were addressed and used last night meant it was a real error on our part to put that on stage.'

          PFA chief executive Gordon Taylor had dismissed criticism of Hunter's booking, saying: 'No, no, don't be silly. Are you serious? I think there were a few raised eyebrows over the comedian, but that is the sort of thing you can't control. It was unfortunate.

          'He is a professional comedian. It's a difficult subject in football and with him not being fully aware of how emotive it has been in football, that was probably a difficulty for him.'

          The PFA's official Twitter account also released a sarcastic message over criticism of the act, which Hunter himself then retweeted.

          It read: 'We've checked all our social media guidelines & still don't know whether we were allowed to enjoy that set!'

          But Carlisle admitted that Hunter's appointment was a mistake, saying the players' union should have done proper research before booking an act.

          'I am not going to come out against Gordon. He is going to say what he said,' said Carlisle.

          'My personal view is that knowing what we have come through in football it is not a difficulty for us to not to book Reginald D Hunter when his repertoire is out there for all to see.'

          Lord Ouseley, chairman of anti-racism group Kick it Out, said the PFA need to explain why Hunter was booked.

          'It sounds to me that the PFA needs to answer questions about how they booked this person and why they booked this person,' he told the Telegraph.

          'I’m surprised there wasn’t a mass walkout. It almost begs the question, "Why does Kick It Out bother?"'



          The PFA profiled Hunter on their website before his stint at the awards, saying: 'The American born comic will bring his unique style of no nonsense comedy to the event.

          'Hunter is well known for his jokes that ring true and attempt to shake viewers suppositions.

          'It will be a first appearance for Hunter at the PFA Awards though and no doubt he will have some topical content for PFA members and business partners to enjoy.'

          FA chairman David Bernstein, who stripped Terry of the England captaincy after allegations of racial abuse towards Anton Ferdinand, was one of the dignitaries who squirmed his way through Hunter’s extraordinary act.

          Amazingly, the comedian opened his act with a joke about Suarez, one of six players named on the official PFA shortlist. The Liverpool striker was banned for eight games after he racially abused Patrice Evra and was an invited guest at the annual dinner at the Grosvenor House Hotel in London.

          Paul Elliott, who had to step down from his role at the FA after a racism row with Richard Rufus, was also among the attendees.

          Hunter admitted that his act had not gone down well with guests.
          Last edited by Shaggy; 29-04-13, 02:38 PM.
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            They really are amateurs. Glad the PFA are under a bit of pressure over this now. FA last week over their bans and now the PFA. Pretty pathetically run organisations. Gordon Taylor...well, I have no words to sum him up. Really is a prick but it is too generous a word for him

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              Spectacular own goal this. Hope Gordon the Moron gets his!

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                Originally posted by Vermilion View Post
                Spectacular own goal this. Hope Gordon the Moron gets his!

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                  'He is a professional comedian. It's a difficult subject in football and with him not being fully aware of how emotive it has been in football, that was probably a difficulty for him.'

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                    'It took the focus away from what should have been a momentous occasion for both Gareth Bale and Kim Little.

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                      Originally posted by Joey Jones View Post


                      'He is a professional comedian. It's a difficult subject in football and with him not being fully aware of how emotive it has been in football, that was probably a difficulty for him.'
                      Hmm, as opposed to his expereinces of actually dealing with racism in his life. Seems a bit condescending.

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                        It's quite funny. Martin Samuel hates Suarez. But he's having to support the gripes re. Suarez punishment because he wants to make a point about how badly Terry has been treated. It's amusing stuff really. FA and PFA are making rods for their own back.

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                          This is an absolute disgrace and I see no other option than for Taylor and Carlisle to stand down.

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                            Originally posted by Reece View Post
                            This is an absolute disgrace and I see no other option than for Taylor and Carlisle to stand down.
                            taylor definately

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                              Originally posted by Reece View Post
                              This is an absolute disgrace and I see no other option than for Taylor and Carlisle to stand down.


                              Isn't the crux of the matter that Carlisle and co. probably thought it's okay for a black man to use the 'N' word and it isn't racist.

                              Personally, I think Gordon Taylor's comments are ridiculous. Why doesn't he just come out and blame Suarez. He'll be ringing Talksport later

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                                I can imagine John Terry is also probably a little miffed at this too.

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