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    #76
    Send this to her and give her awake up call. Then ask if she is stiil gushing



    Manchester United released their quarterly financial results. As always when there are figures released, fans ask questions – often these involve quite simply explanations about the debt and rumours in the press. It’s no secret that the club’s financial situation is very complicated and very secretive and extremely dire. To try and help answer some of the most common queries for deluded fans

    NB this isn’t simply an anti-Glazer or pro-Glazer (should such a thing exist) – just answers to simple questions


    1. Who are Red Football Limited and what do they own?

    Red Football Limited is a the company set up by the Glazer family in 2005 for the purpose of buying United.

    It has two parent companies in the UK (Red Football Joint Venture Ltd and above that Red Football Shareholder Ltd). Above those companies is the new entity Red Football LLC (based in Delaware) which we believe is owned by Red Football Limited Partnership (based in Nevada) which in turn is owned by various Glazer family trusts.

    Red Football Limited owns (directly and indirectly) 100% of Manchester United Limited which is the renamed Manchester United plc that was quoted on the stockmarket.

    2. How much debt are the club in and who do the club owe money to?

    Red Football Limited has £250m of bonds outstanding and US$425m of bonds secured on the club’s assets. At today’s exchange rate that is £514m of debt. Last week Red Football told us that they had bought £24m of bonds, so that leaves £490m of bond debt. The bonds are owned by a variety of investors around the world.

    There is also a mortgage of around £27m secured on the container terminal behind the Stretford End. This is called the “Alderley mortgage”.

    Until November 2010, there was also £249m of “payment in kind” (PIK) loans owed by Red Football Joint Venture Limited, the parent company of Red Football. They were secured on the shares of Red Football. They were repaid in November 2010, but no explanation of where this £249m came from has been forthcoming. It is likely, although cannot be proved, that new debt was issued (probably in the US) to repay the PIKs.

    3. How quickly can the club pay the debt off?

    There are various penalty clauses which makes it very expensive to repay the bonds early. The bonds must be repaid in February 2017. Red Football could buy-in bonds (as it has done with the £24m) which has the effect of repaying them early.

    4. Is the debt manageable – i.e. can we think of it like a mortgage on a house?

    The bond debt and Alderley are manageable although they soak up a high proportion of the club’s profits. The bonds cost c. £44m per annum (the exact figure depends on the exchange rate) and the mortgage costs around £400,000 per annum.

    These costs have to be paid out off “EBITDA” (effectively cash profits before transfers) of around £100m (last year’s number).

    In short the debt is not manageable

    5. Has the debt restricted United in the transfer market and is money available for new players?

    From 2006-10, the debt has cost a very large amount in interest (£200m) and in banking fees (£79m). During this period the club made EBITDA of £394m, so more than half the club’s profits have gone in interest and fees.

    It is obviously impossible to say with any certainty whether the need to pay these sums has restricted transfer activity, although it is unlikely they helped!

    The club has a very large amount of cash in the bank (£134m). This large balance arose largely from the sale of Ronaldo (£80m) and Aon prepaying £36m of their 4 year sponsorship deal in June 2009. With this large cash pile and the club making more profits each year than it has to pay in interest, there should be a lot of money available for new players.

    When the bonds were issued in February 2010, the restrictions on the Glazers receiving dividends that existed under the terms of the previous bank loans were greatly relaxed. The Glazers have the entitlement under the bond terms to take £95m in dividends at any point (rising each year). It was widely believed by financial analysts that this entitlement would be used to get funds to repay the PIKs. This has not happened, the PIKs have been repaid from another, unknown, source. The dividend rights still exist however, and there is a suspicion that the club’s low transfer spending is because the cash in the bank will at some point be taken by the Glazers, possibly to repay new debt taken on to repay the PIKs. We just don’t know.

    2011 spending is just adding to the already unmanageable debt

    6. Can you explain the FFP (Financial Fair Play) rules and how they might affect United?

    These rules basically say that a club will only receive a UEFA licence to play in the Champions League or Europa league if losses are restricted to a certain level. The definition of “loss” is an adjustment of a normal accounting loss with certain items excluded from the calculation (spending on youth development and community programmes for example). The first season the rules apply to is 2013/14 when clubs must show that losses in the two previous seasons (2011/12 and 2012/13) don’t exceed €45m. This maximum loss (what UEFA call the “acceptable deviation”) will then fall in future years.

    Unless something goes very well at United, the club will fail this test like clubs like Man City and Chelsea

    7. Does the club make a profit every year?

    There are lots of measures of “profits” and “losses” (like EBITDA which I referred to earlier) which makes answering this question quite difficult! In several of the years since the takeover, Red Football Limited has reported a large loss, but only because of certain accounting charges which are bookkeeping matters only and don’t involve any real cash. I would say that on any normal basis, the club is not profitable in fact quite the opposite

    8. How much would it take for a bidder to buy the club?

    All indications are that the Glazers want £1.5bn+ for the club, however, in the current economic climate £400 mill is more realistic: referenced to the sale of Liverpool fc

    9. Do you think the naming rights to Old Trafford might ever be sold?

    I think it’s unlikely, not because the owners wouldn’t want the money (that’s not their way), but mainly because naming rights for existing grounds aren’t very attractive. Calling a new ground “The Reebok” or “The Emirates” is fine, but trying to convince people that St James’ Park is now “SportDirect.com @ St James’ Park Stadium” doesn’t work and everybody knows that. Would you start calling OT “The Pepsi Old Trafford”?

    10. How realistic are the Qatar rumours – fire – and what dangers could a takeover bring to the club?

    These are purely a figment of the imagination, there is more chance of hell freezing over than a takeover happening from Qatar as they are heavily in debt due to the world cup bribing scandal. At a lower price of £400 mill they could well be interested. Any leveraged takeover is highly dangerous fro the club

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      #77
      She'll just point to this bit and claim it proves her right:

      The club has a very large amount of cash in the bank (£134m). This large balance arose largely from the sale of Ronaldo (£80m) and Aon prepaying £36m of their 4 year sponsorship deal in June 2009. With this large cash pile and the club making more profits each year than it has to pay in interest, there should be a lot of money available for new players.

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        #78
        Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
        She'll just point to this bit and claim it proves her right:

        The club has a very large amount of cash in the bank (£134m). This large balance arose largely from the sale of Ronaldo (£80m) and Aon prepaying £36m of their 4 year sponsorship deal in June 2009. With this large cash pile and the club making more profits each year than it has to pay in interest, there should be a lot of money available for new players.

        Jeez. The edit it.

        Use this.......

        The club has a small amount of cash in the bank (£14m). This balance arose largely from the sale of Ronaldo (£80m) and Aon prepaying £36m of their 4 year sponsorship deal in June 2009. These two transactions have offset major losses, otherwise the club would be very cash negative

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          #79
          Just tell her to get back to shagging her brother the dirty little manc bang horse. Bet She has a face like a Dockers boot.

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            #80
            Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
            What is my 'whole, like, perspective on things' ?

            This should be fun...
            Got to love the tone, I can guarantee when you get like this it will never be fun so I'll make my point and leave it that instead of getting into pages of bull****.

            Neil was making a pretty simple point that you seem to be expending a lot of time and energy getting involved with something so utterly unimportant - your perspective judging by your response was that everything in life was equally unimportant. If you truly believe that good luck to you, but I hope you don't.
            Like blood on iron

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              #81
              Originally posted by Red_Polo View Post
              Got to love the tone, I can guarantee when you get like this it will never be fun so I'll make my point and leave it that instead of getting into pages of bull****.

              Neil was making a pretty simple point that you seem to be expending a lot of time and energy getting involved with something so utterly unimportant - your perspective judging by your response was that everything in life was equally unimportant. If you truly believe that good luck to you, but I hope you don't.
              Not literally 'everything in life', but most of the stuff we do on here - posting on the internet, not unlike me posting on facebook - which, incidentally, i usually do during work time, when the alternative is...erm, work

              But yeah, generally pissing about on the web, be it on forums like this or facebook, is indeed pretty unimportant, and just to pass the time.

              And my tone wasnt anything bad, hence the smiley i'd used.

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                #82
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                "Ah, but Scousers are different, the Basques of the North. Utterly inexplicable, even to us"

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                  #83
                  Hmm, i think it shows we're TRYING to grow our brand in Asia, which indicates it might not be very strong

                  It's cool mate, appreciate the effort, but it's all good anyway

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                    #84


                    this any good?
                    "Ah, but Scousers are different, the Basques of the North. Utterly inexplicable, even to us"

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                      #85
                      Nice one Nate, that does the trick excellently

                      Cheers buddy

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                        #86
                        Where's that pic...





























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                          #87
                          Can we have an Est1892 social network deck..

                          On a forum and being brought into discussions from Facebook.. WTF!

                          We need a Tweet deck style layout to this site..

                          Est1892...Twitter....Redcafe....Facebook....Rawk.. ..CJ....

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                            #88

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                              #89
                              Originally posted by MrsB View Post
                              This never fails to make me laugh

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                                #90
                                Originally posted by Shanks View Post
                                Can we have an Est1892 social network deck..

                                On a forum and being brought into discussions from Facebook.. WTF!

                                We need a Tweet deck style layout to this site..

                                Est1892...Twitter....Redcafe....Facebook....Rawk.. ..CJ....


                                sorry but your a bit off topic.

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