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    Segura on our youth development blueprint

    Nicked from: http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/...topic=277719.0

    Originally posted by royhendo@RAWK
    Courtesy of Paul Grech of www.aliverpoolthing.com - this is Pep Segura talking about the Liverpool Academy set up to his fellow Catalunyan coaches (it seems). The guy whose blog this is - he wrote the definitive book on the Barcelona youth development programme according to Sid Lowe. Maybe a better Spanish speaker could polish this up as a new topic?

    I think the stuff in here is massively significant - it's the McPartland white paper in action through Segura.
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    Quote from: Google Translate

    Thursday, June 09, 2011

    The Liverpool Academy program - Pep Segura

    The first football conference I [Perarnau] organized for the Catalunyan Footballing Congress and RCD Espanyol was conducted by Pep Segura, Technical Director of the Liverpool Academy, and focused on LFC's youth team, whose basic principles are summarized below.

    The 'target' of the Liverpool Academy is twofold: to implement a common style of play teams through all categories, and to provide players for the first team. When Rafa Benitez hired Pep Segura as head of the academy, Liverpool FC had three distinct and unrelated operations:

    - Scouting
    - Technical Staff
    - Sports Science (doctors, physios, trainers)

    The target was to implement an integrated model of the style that currently exists in many Spanish clubs, so that all departments work in the same direction.

    The Liverpool training center consists of four large age groups:

    1) Year 1 > Playing games, technical skills
    2) Year 2 + Children + Cadets > technical skills, tactical work starts, physical work starts
    3) Youth + Amateur Year 1 > technical skills, tactical work, physical work, psychological work
    4) Amateur + Reserves > technical skills, tactical work, physical work, psychological work

    The second group participates in the Under-15 Championship, the third group includes the U-17s and U-18s, and the fourth group plays in the Under-20s tournament and the Reserves. This team has been included in Pep Segura's area of responsiblity during the season just ended. The Academy focuses on organising the boys' training, education, and family accommodation in Liverpool.

    Pep Segura's Academy work is divided into five major areas:

    1) Facilities
    2) Selection of players
    3) Coaches
    4) Program (Syllabus)
    5) Management of the player

    For reasons of time, he could not detail each of these areas, but he did mention aspects of several of them.

    Facilities
    LFC have twelve training camps, ten on natural grass and two with artificial turf, plus one indoor for winter work. The facilities, according to Segura, are excellent, and not much more physical infrastructure is needed.

    Selection of players
    Scouting is the responsibility of the department. Keep in mind that English law is very rigid and ossified. Some examples:

    - Players up to 14 years can't be signed beyond a radius of 150 kilometers from the club (Liverpool competing in the same environment as Manchester United, City, Everton, and so forth)
    - The Academy is owned by the player's home club forever, bringing disparate any procurement levels [didn't understand this]
    - You can't sign players until after the community 16 years
    - All games U-16 and U-18 are played on Saturdays at 11 am and from other categories, Sundays at 11 am This precludes the coaches come to watch opposing players of interest. Another peculiarity: the U-15 takes place on Wednesdays, which is almost unfeasible to train more than two days a week


    Liverpool work the Academy for sporting and economic necessity and because "we want to work with our players, but do so with our style of play." Segura found, after some time, Liverpool was repeated in a pattern that had already lived in the club: "Most youth players came from a particular geographical area and, especially, of a particular school."

    For scouting the club uses three essential parameters: selection from very small, constant monitoring of all of them, and determining the precise moment of joining the club. The relevant department raises three questions: a) What is the player profile? B) Is player for Liverpool; c) We will grow as a team?


    We analyze four factors:

    - Technical: We appreciate the passing game (passing game)
    - Tactical: Your ability to play without the ball
    - Psychological: Your willingness to be professional
    - Physical: We value speed, strength and size (English football)


    Teams from different categories are structured in the form of a double pyramid

    - Between 8 and 11: 3 teams per category
    - Between 12 and 14 years: 2 teams per category
    - After 15 years: 1 team per category

    In the two years since Pep Segura as technical director, the Academy has doubled the number of players at his disposal. In the selection process, all are subject to a battery of physical and technical tests that continue to take those who are part of the Academy several times a year to establish internal and external comparisons.

    You've identified three types of targets in the catchment:

    - Focus A: 14. Local Players
    - Focus B: 16. The 2 best in England plus 2 best foreign
    - Focus C: 18. Best English and / or foreign to compensate for the shortcomings identified in the Academy

    Program

    "The program is a great tool to implement and not just having a good criterion for selection of players. It's the idea and style that make an organization stronger." Segura says it takes a sense of strategic thinking to acquire from it, a basic understanding of principles of play and style, and an idea to work efficiently and consistent with the philosophy of the club.

    Segura says in this regard that the success of Spanish football are based on working with the Academy, which has created an excellent selection of players and Spain catapulted to number among European success at youth level, followed by France. However, he also believes that something is wrong with our football since that success does not correspond with the actual number of youth players that eventually arrives at the first teams.

    The technical program of the Academy is based on a 4-2-3-1 system of play implemented by Rafa Benitez "although I would have preferred a 4-3-3, but England has historically used the 4-4-2 and had to adapt." In the case of Liverpool, "using it as a key tool because our style is the passing game, where the greatest impact".


    Stratification of training is as follows:

    - 8 to 12 years: 35 weeks of competition / weekly sessions 3
    - 13 to 15 years: 35 weeks of competition / weekly sessions 4-5
    - 16 to 18 years: 40 weeks of competition / weekly sessions 7-8
    - 19 to 21 years: 42 weeks of competition / weekly sessions 7-8


    The structure of a typical training session is as follows:
    1) Warm up
    2) Technical skills: especially in the passing game and offered before the pass
    3) Tactical skills: Automating offensive and defensive work, possession, Gale Related (reduced situations: from 1 to 1-5 against 5)
    4) Part games: Application of the stuff they've worked on
    5) End section: Gym Off, work and stretching pitch


    Automation: Work in all phases, from leaving the ball in pass defense to ultimately creating meaning and order of play. "The small details that make them grow to the player: body position, speed, striking the ball, the timing of his move at the right time ...." Games of position, with special incidence in the circulation at high speed, knowing the positions of the companions are defined and known.

    Recordings: The Academy records every game and every practice session with a very interesting point added: they also record the coaches' voices giving advice during sessions. He was a research conducted by Liverpool University who took up the removal of oral communication, which has yielded great results: "We have seen the shortcomings of the coaches and have corrected messages. Some have always corrected the same concepts and not others more important. Or were fixated with some players. "


    Finally, the criteria for Pep Segura to improve tactics:

    - Everyone must work
    - We must be inspired by street soccer
    - Street Soccer is gone and we have to make up work
    - We must use recantangular surfaces to work on depth and breadth
    - We must always breathe offensive spirit
    - Explain to children the meaning of 4-2-3-1 to understand it
    - Develop the game from the defensive line
    - Teaching the collective game based on our system
    - Emphasize creativity: the English player is disciplined and easy to learn automation and order, but Spanish is more creative and we must move in this direction
    - The Game Related is difficult to apply to players and coaches because they are awaiting orders. When they do, work hard, but they suffer when they have to bring own creativity


    * Frank McParland named Pep Segura as Technical Director of the Liverpool Academy on June 1, 2009, being the first coach of the Rafa Benitez team. After his debut in Olesa, Segura was coach of football at Barcelona from 1999 to 2005. He was later coach of AEK Athens and Olympiakos, who won the League-Cup bolete in 2008.
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    #2
    I like the definition of tactics as 'playing without the ball'. I shall use it always.
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      #3
      Fantastic insight this, very interesting.
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        #4
        Sounds like Kenny will play 4-2-3-1 then if all the teams will play in the same way.

        The technical program of the Academy is based on a 4-2-3-1 system of play
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          #5
          Originally posted by Arn View Post
          Sounds like Kenny will play 4-2-3-1 then if all the teams will play in the same way.
          Hmmm, a bit too much information there.

          Shouldnt we keep this sort of info under our hat in as other teams may be able to exploit the knowledge for themselves.

          Its a good read though. Nice to see how much thought and preperation goes in.
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            #6
            Not Really..Everyone knows how Barca will play, what they will do..does notmean you can stop them

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              #7
              The focus on one system downplays the importance of having the option of implementing "different formations" depending on the game and the opposition. Not only is it unnecessary, but it can also have a negative effect. Have one system, make everyone understand it, execute it well and you will be successful.

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                #8
                good read that.

                It's good to see that we are getting a comprehensive system and one where the players learn how to play the system of choice from day one. It does however demand that appointment of managers is based on the same tactical system so that a red line is possible from youth to senior.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by JohnDoe View Post
                  The focus on one system downplays the importance of having the option of implementing "different formations" depending on the game and the opposition. Not only is it unnecessary, but it can also have a negative effect. Have one system, make everyone understand it, execute it well and you will be successful.
                  I'm not sure that is true. I think it is reductive to think that one formation is one way of playing. Using one formation as the basis of the teaching framework does not mean you never consider playing any other way - or that you can't change the way you play within that formation.

                  I also think the point made about Barcelona is a valid one.
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                    #10
                    4-2-3-1 basically can become 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 very very easily depending on the intelligence of the players....

                    in reality, all it means is we will practically always have a flat back 4......

                    the "3" behind the main striker are instrumental to everything....perhaps that could possibly be a reason at some of the players we are potentially looking at signing - for example;

                    Downing - Could play on the left wing or even on the left of a 3-man midfield

                    Henderson - ditto - but on the right hand side....

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by frank the tank View Post
                      4-2-3-1 basically can become 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 very very easily depending on the intelligence of the players....

                      in reality, all it means is we will practically always have a flat back 4......

                      the "3" behind the main striker are instrumental to everything....perhaps that could possibly be a reason at some of the players we are potentially looking at signing - for example;

                      Downing - Could play on the left wing or even on the left of a 3-man midfield

                      Henderson - ditto - but on the right hand side....
                      I'm not sure it even rigidly defines the back 4. Look at Barcelona - clearly a team schooled that way but Busquets now regularly drops back to make what looks a lot like a three. the core of the training has to be flexibility and understanding of space. If you have that then all formations can be fluid.

                      The problem with training 4-4-2 is as much the cultural baggage as it's inherent flaws. However, that said all 3 line rather than 4 line systems tend to preach rigid positional specialisms (I'd perhaps make an exception for 4-3-3 but the simple changes are usually to switch to something with an extra line).
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by dww View Post
                        I'm not sure it even rigidly defines the back 4. Look at Barcelona - clearly a team schooled that way but Busquets now regularly drops back to make what looks a lot like a three. the core of the training has to be flexibility and understanding of space. If you have that then all formations can be fluid.

                        The problem with training 4-4-2 is as much the cultural baggage as it's inherent flaws. However, that said all 3 line rather than 4 line systems tend to preach rigid positional specialisms (I'd perhaps make an exception for 4-3-3 but the simple changes are usually to switch to something with an extra line).
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by badpiggy View Post
                          You were going so well and all Even the most enlightened football man would probably misunderstand this and punch you
                          There are enlightened football men?
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                            #14
                            I coach a group of under 9's and we finished up as divisional champions last season. It was great for the kids to have a medal but it wasnt the aim at the start of the year.

                            our aims are always simple

                            - that all the kids play football
                            - that all the kids show technical improvement year on year
                            - that all the kids play with a smile on their faces

                            i put a training programme into place emphasising the main points above of technical, tactical and physical (the top clubs also look at the psychology of kids which at amateur clubs like ours we just cant do). At this age most of our training is geared towards technical ability like ball control, passing and being comfortable in possession. We do give the lads a good physical workout every game to get them match fit and we do very little work on tactics other than shape.

                            We dont spend hours on set pieces, practicing throw ins, corners etc... its all about the ball and attacking football.

                            At this age, the idea is really to give them basic skills and let them go onto the pitch and enjoy their football without fear of losing matches / getting bollocked for losing the ball / too scared to try tricks or passes.

                            Ive been involved for 5 years now and its no real secret why 99% of english players arent good enough at the highest level. you only have to go to a sunday morning youth match anywhere in the country to see whats wrong with the game.

                            The coaches are too focused on winning matches and not developing players, which means they always play the taller, stronger and quicker players. They ignore the smaller lads who are technically better, good passers, comfortable with the ball at their feet types for for physicality.

                            the game is the old style kick and rush and you just dont see midfield players putting their foot on the ball and trying to make things happen. Its always a punt from the back to the forward lines and then trying to win knockdowns and second balls.

                            the 11 a side thing is also perhaps the most ridiculous concept in youth football. they expected kids aged 11 to play on full size 11 a side pitches with full size nets. half us us couldnt get around a full size pitch let alone 11 year old kids. my old uni also did a study about the amount of touches kids get in 11 a side vs smaller sided games. From memory, 4 v 4 for one hour meant each kid touched the ball 60 odd times in one hour, 7 v 7 was down to around 40 ish, and 11 a side was something paltry like high teens or early 20's.



                            rules governing learning how to play football or do anything else for that matter are really simple. the more you do of it the better you get. The more often kids touch footballs, the better they get at it.

                            the other ridiculous idea the FA came up with was the FA level 1 course. This is another reason why we arent producing decent footballers. The FA level 1 course consists of 4 days of learning after which you are ready to coach football to youngsters. Some of the coaches are literally thick as 2 planks, have never played football in their lives and have no idea what the basics are. At the end of the course they give you a booklet and thats your guide. They have people with no understanding of the game trying to teach little kids how to play football and im sorry but its ****ing stupid. It has good ideas in principle but they really need to streamline it to make sure the coaches handling the kids are actually capable of doing it and have some basic understanding of football.

                            the americans under claudio reyna have released a new technical coaching manual for the youth system in the USA and its pretty good. its highly technical but it emphasises the development of technical skills, the attitude of attacking play and moving the ball quickly forward (but on the floor) to create goal scoring chances and its all about attractive football.

                            there was another idea that by the time academy kids were 15 they had to have had 1 million touches of the ball to be classed as an elite academy player. it means that they produce more players like xavi and iniesta or even busquets and less like mancienne and muamba.

                            sounds strange but a nation relatively new to football is actually better placed than we are to produce highly technically brilliant footballer over the next cycle of footballers which is probably 15 years from now.
                            Last edited by el matador; 03-07-11, 12:57 PM.
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by el matador View Post
                              I coach a group of under 9's and we finished up as divisional champions last season. It was great for the kids to have a medal but it wasnt the aim at the start of the year.

                              our aims are always simple

                              - that all the kids play football
                              - that all the kids show technical improvement year on year
                              - that all the kids play with a smile on their faces

                              i put a training programme into place emphasising the main points above of technical, tactical and physical (the top clubs also look at the psychology of kids which at amateur clubs like ours we just cant do). At this age most of our training is geared towards technical ability like ball control, passing and being comfortable in possession. We do give the lads a good physical workout every game to get them match fit and we do very little work on tactics other than shape.

                              We dont spend hours on set pieces, practicing throw ins, corners etc... its all about the ball and attacking football.

                              At this age, the idea is really to give them basic skills and let them go onto the pitch and enjoy their football without fear of losing matches / getting bollocked for losing the ball / too scared to try tricks or passes.

                              Ive been involved for 5 years now and its no real secret why 99% of english players arent good enough at the highest level. you only have to go to a sunday morning youth match anywhere in the country to see whats wrong with the game.

                              The coaches are too focused on winning matches and not developing players, which means they always play the taller, stronger and quicker players. They ignore the smaller lads who are technically better, good passers, comfortable with the ball at their feet types for for physicality.

                              the game is the old style kick and rush and you just dont see midfield players putting their foot on the ball and trying to make things happen. Its always a punt from the back to the forward lines and then trying to win knockdowns and second balls.

                              the 11 a side thing is also perhaps the most ridiculous concept in youth football. they expected kids aged 11 to play on full size 11 a side pitches with full size nets. half us us couldnt get around a full size pitch let alone 11 year old kids. my old uni also did a study about the amount of touches kids get in 11 a side vs smaller sided games. From memory, 4 v 4 for one hour meant each kid touched the ball 60 odd times in one hour, 7 v 7 was down to around 40 ish, and 11 a side was something paltry like high teens or early 20's.



                              rules governing learning how to play football or do anything else for that matter are really simple. the more you do of it the better you get. The more often kids touch footballs, the better they get at it.

                              the other ridiculous idea the FA came up with was the FA level 1 course. This is another reason why we arent producing decent footballers. The FA level 1 course consists of 4 days of learning after which you are ready to coach football to youngsters. Some of the coaches are literally thick as 2 planks, have never played football in their lives and have no idea what the basics are. At the end of the course they give you a booklet and thats your guide. They have people with no understanding of the game trying to teach little kids how to play football and im sorry but its ****ing stupid. It has good ideas in principle but they really need to streamline it to make sure the coaches handling the kids are actually capable of doing it and have some basic understanding of football.

                              the americans under claudio reyna have released a new technical coaching manual for the youth system in the USA and its pretty good. its highly technical but it emphasises the development of technical skills, the attitude of attacking play and moving the ball quickly forward (but on the floor) to create goal scoring chances and its all about attractive football.

                              there was another idea that by the time academy kids were 15 they had to have had 1 million touches of the ball to be classed as an elite academy player. it means that they produce more players like xavi and iniesta or even busquets and less like mancienne and muamba.

                              sounds strange but a nation relatively new to football is actually better placed than we are to produce highly technically brilliant footballer over the next cycle of footballers which is probably 15 years from now.
                              Great post mate alot of good points, we have the same prob here in Oz, I coached ladies U18s who were multiple time state champions but they merely relied on there state and national runners up front and in the backs to win them games, and its too late to try to teach them to look up and look for a pass as they'd already been taught this way and were successful so in there minds it was right. Also far too often going to oval getting ready for my game and seeing parents yelling at the kids to do this and do that lets win and all that **** I cant stand it.
                              When you look at Oz football we really havent brought anyone through thats been even close to world class stature since Harry Kewell and dont look like producing anyone in the near future. Both our main leagues are quite similar (yours obviously being much much much better of course) but it relies to heavily on physical attributes and those who are skillful/ better technically aren't given that chance because they lack those physical attributes required.

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