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    Pennant & Zenden - Mediocre or Worse Than That?

    The man has a point, just how many of our team are actual title contenders?



    Kuyt's predatory goal instincts help rescue mediocre Liverpool

    By Eddie Johnson at Anfield
    Last Updated: 12:10am GMT 05/11/2006

    Liverpool (1) 2 Reading (0) 0

    Of all Rafael Benitez's summer signings, the only player with the stamp of a
    champion is Dirk Kuyt. The Dutchman's two goals disposed of unambitious
    Reading here yesterday but could not obscure the fact that this Liverpool
    side are flabby with mediocrity.

    If this team consider themselves credible title challengers - and judging by
    the optimistic rhetoric inside Anfield this week, they still do - they must
    shed their excess weight. Inside this loose, baggy monster is a lean, trim
    title-contender struggling to get out.

    Yet how many members of this Liverpool side would get into the Arsenal,
    Manchester United or Chelsea teams? Xabi Alonso is talented, Sami Hyypia was
    outstanding yesterday and Kuyt is evidently emerging as a considerable
    attacking threat, but really only Steven Gerrard would convincingly win a
    place in any of those three XIs.

    Players such as Jermaine Pennant and Boudewijn Zenden - competitive
    Premiership types that they are - fall short of the standards required of a
    team with league title pretensions.

    Both goals were borne of Kuyt's finishing instinct, acquired for £9 million.
    The first, on 14 minutes, came when Gerrard cut back on to his right foot on
    the left flank and found Peter Crouch at the far post. The England striker
    nodded across the face of goal. The Dutchman tapped in. Easy as that.

    The second - Kuyt's fifth since arriving at Anfield - came after Liverpool's
    supporters had grown uneasy about their team's failure to extinguish
    Reading's second-half insurrection. With 17 minutes remaining, Pennant
    floated in a corner from the left and Crouch headed down, only for Marcus
    Hahnemann to save. The loose ball was instinctively volleyed in by Kuyt.
    Game over.

    "I've known about Kuyt for years," Benitez said. "He always works really
    hard and is very consistent, which is not easy for a striker. He creates
    chances and space for team-mates, and he has a good understanding with
    Crouch."

    Reading, who have now lost four games in a row, were always going to
    struggle after they went a goal down. Steve Coppell's game plan was to try
    to bottle-neck Liverpool by corking Kuyt.

    The Dutchman has a great gift for finding space with his off-the-ball
    movement, so the Reading manager opted to play Sam Sodje as a spare man at the back to try to suffocate the former Feyenoord striker's play. The
    unfortunate trade-off was that Kevin Doyle, playing as a lone striker for
    Reading, had no support. Indeed, aside from an early shot from James Harper,
    which came back off Jamie Carragher's heel, the visitors created little in
    the first half.

    "Two years ago they were European champions and we were in a different
    division," Coppell said. "We're trying to close a huge gap."

    Liverpool's answer to Reading's tactical poser was to stretch the game
    horizontally, trying to get crosses in from the flanks. That was how they
    managed to open the scoring, yet the trick was not easily repeated. Kuyt did
    miss two headers, just before half-time, but without any real pace to
    threaten the space behind the Reading defence, Liverpool struggled to impose
    themselves.

    As the game wore on Liverpool inevitably got the jitters. Reading even got
    the ball in the net, from a Glen Little corner, but Ibrahima Sonko had
    accidentally butted Jose Reina - this, the same defender who had knocked out
    Carlo Cudicini in the infamous game with Chelsea - in the process. The
    Spaniard was left a little rattled and his handling deteriorated in the
    closing stages.

    If Reina had looked uncomfortable on corners, it was to be one at the other
    end that proved decisive as Kuyt's predatory awareness spared Liverpool a
    frustrating end.

    If Benitez can find a system that gets the best out of Kuyt - and that may
    mean ditching the enthusiastic, but impotent Crouch - then Liverpool can
    start posing truly demanding questions of any defence.

    The Kop gave the Dutchman a standing ovation as he was replaced by Robbie
    Fowler with just minutes left to play. Should Benitez sign more players of
    Kuyt's calibre for the faithful fans to applaud, then he could bring the
    title to the thirsty banks of the Mersey.
    http://www.retroreds.co.uk/

    #2
    Impotent Crouch?! Give him a ****ing break for ****'s sake!!! (not you of course, lfceva)
    Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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      #3
      Originally posted by ShaggyAlonso
      Impotent Crouch?! Give him a ****ing break for ****'s sake!!! (not you of course, lfceva)
      None of us (well most of us) would ever swap Crouchy seeing what he has given us over the last 15 months etc, however, is he in reality an impact player or a starter and the remainder of what he wrote could have come straight off any of the LFC forums, and I'm sure if we can see it, and the reporters can see it, Rafa also sees what is wrong.

      We can only hope the suits have the bottle to let him fix it.
      http://www.retroreds.co.uk/

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        #4
        Pennant has time on his side, he's only 23. He'll mature into a very good player.
        Dreams come true. Without that possibility, nature would not incite us to have them.
        John Updike

        My son Foster is a fan of soccer. He was a goaltender. His brother was a defenseman.
        George Gillett

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          #5
          Originally posted by jonesie23
          Pennant has time on his side, he's only 23. He'll mature into a very good player.
          welcome

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            #6
            Originally posted by jonesie23
            Pennant has time on his side, he's only 23. He'll mature into a very good player.
            Hey welcome jonsie. Pity your first post is in defense of Pennant - who IMO is utter garbage!
            Join in and enjoy the banter mate.
            Liverpool born and bred.

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              #7
              Originally posted by lfc4ever
              The man has a point, just how many of our team are actual title contenders?
              Well, in my opinion....

              Reina
              Finnan
              Carra
              Hyypia
              Agger
              Riise
              Sissoko
              Alonso
              Gerrard
              Garcia
              Kuyt
              Crouch

              We have plenty of the players of the right standard, and a decent number who are thereabouts, but it is noticeable that not many of them are primarily attacking players....

              We have Gerrard, Garcia, Kuyt, and Crouch. (4)
              Man Utd have Giggs, Scholes, Ronaldo, Rooney, Saha, Solskjaer. (6)
              Chelsea have Sheva, Drogba, Robben, SWP, J Cole, Lampard, Ballack. (7)
              Arsenal have Henry, Fabregas, Hleb, Rosicky, Ljungberg, van Persie. (6)

              Our paucity of genuinely consistant quality attacking players makes it difficult for us to produce over the course of a whole season. It places a lot of pressure on the 4 players of ours mentioned.

              Fortunately a lot of our goals come through quality passing and we do have many good passers of the ball. But at the same time quality flair players is something we're lacking a little. Hopefully we can add players like Bellamy and Pennant, even Kewell, to that list of ours in time but it remains to be seen. Until we get more players in that category we have to be mean in defence and make sure we consistantly attack well as a unit because we don't have enough players who can pull a rabbit out of the hat when things are not going too well.
              Like blood on iron

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                #8
                Originally posted by Red_Polo
                Well, in my opinion....

                Reina
                Finnan
                Carra
                Hyypia
                Agger
                Riise
                Sissoko
                Alonso
                Gerrard
                Garcia
                Kuyt
                Crouch

                We have plenty of the players of the right standard, and a decent number who are thereabouts, but it is noticeable that not many of them are primarily attacking players....

                We have Gerrard, Garcia, Kuyt, and Crouch. (4)
                Man Utd have Giggs, Scholes, Ronaldo, Rooney, Saha, Solskjaer. (6)
                Chelsea have Sheva, Drogba, Robben, SWP, J Cole, Lampard, Ballack. (7)
                Arsenal have Henry, Fabregas, Hleb, Rosicky, Ljungberg, van Persie. (6)

                Our paucity of genuinely consistant quality attacking players makes it difficult for us to produce over the course of a whole season. It places a lot of pressure on the 4 players of ours mentioned.

                Fortunately a lot of our goals come through quality passing and we do have many good passers of the ball. But at the same time quality flair players is something we're lacking a little. Hopefully we can add players like Bellamy and Pennant, even Kewell, to that list of ours in time but it remains to be seen. Until we get more players in that category we have to be mean in defence and make sure we consistantly attack well as a unit because we don't have enough players who can pull a rabbit out of the hat when things are not going too well.
                And he's a clueless footballer.
                "Let me say for the record, I am not a gangster and never have been. Im not the thief who grabs your purse. Im not the guy who jacks your car. Im not down with the people who steal and hurt others. Im just a brother who fight back."
                Tupac

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Marky18
                  And he's a clueless footballer.
                  Is this the bit where the whole debate started by the initial post gets strangled and turned into a bickering sesh over a small point?

                  I get the feeling it could be so I won't disagree lol
                  Like blood on iron

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                    #10
                    Well in my book Alonso would walk into all three 'big' club's teams. Gerrard too. Kuyt, Bellamy, Crouch, Gonzo, Carra, Sissoko and Reina would also seriously compete for places. Not to mention the emerging Agger. Even Riise despite his faults would challenge for a place. Hoyte anybody?

                    He has a point about Zenden though - pure mediocrity. Pennant may come good but is far too nesh and lightweight for my liking.

                    IMO we're two players and a bit of form from being a top, TOP side. We've had perhaps the hardest start in our Prem history, the time to judge is in 10-15 games.

                    In rafa we trust
                    'Religion is killing each other over who has the best imaginary friend'

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Ben_Itez
                      Well in my book Alonso would walk into all three 'big' club's teams. Gerrard too. Kuyt, Bellamy, Crouch, Gonzo, Carra, Sissoko and Reina would also seriously compete for places. Not to mention the emerging Agger. Even Riise despite his faults would challenge for a place. Hoyte anybody?

                      He has a point about Zenden though - pure mediocrity. Pennant may come good but is far too nesh and lightweight for my liking.

                      IMO we're two players and a bit of form from being a top, TOP side. We've had perhaps the hardest start in our Prem history, the time to judge is in 10-15 games.

                      In rafa we trust
                      We've been bleating on about that for years now i'm afraid.
                      "Let me say for the record, I am not a gangster and never have been. Im not the thief who grabs your purse. Im not the guy who jacks your car. Im not down with the people who steal and hurt others. Im just a brother who fight back."
                      Tupac

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by lfc4ever
                        The man has a point, just how many of our team are actual title contenders?



                        Kuyt's predatory goal instincts help rescue mediocre Liverpool

                        By Eddie Johnson at Anfield
                        Last Updated: 12:10am GMT 05/11/2006

                        Liverpool (1) 2 Reading (0) 0

                        Of all Rafael Benitez's summer signings, the only player with the stamp of a
                        champion is Dirk Kuyt. The Dutchman's two goals disposed of unambitious
                        Reading here yesterday but could not obscure the fact that this Liverpool
                        side are flabby with mediocrity.

                        If this team consider themselves credible title challengers - and judging by
                        the optimistic rhetoric inside Anfield this week, they still do - they must
                        shed their excess weight. Inside this loose, baggy monster is a lean, trim
                        title-contender struggling to get out.

                        Yet how many members of this Liverpool side would get into the Arsenal,
                        Manchester United or Chelsea teams? Xabi Alonso is talented, Sami Hyypia was
                        outstanding yesterday and Kuyt is evidently emerging as a considerable
                        attacking threat, but really only Steven Gerrard would convincingly win a
                        place in any of those three XIs.

                        Players such as Jermaine Pennant and Boudewijn Zenden - competitive
                        Premiership types that they are - fall short of the standards required of a
                        team with league title pretensions.

                        Both goals were borne of Kuyt's finishing instinct, acquired for £9 million.
                        The first, on 14 minutes, came when Gerrard cut back on to his right foot on
                        the left flank and found Peter Crouch at the far post. The England striker
                        nodded across the face of goal. The Dutchman tapped in. Easy as that.

                        The second - Kuyt's fifth since arriving at Anfield - came after Liverpool's
                        supporters had grown uneasy about their team's failure to extinguish
                        Reading's second-half insurrection. With 17 minutes remaining, Pennant
                        floated in a corner from the left and Crouch headed down, only for Marcus
                        Hahnemann to save. The loose ball was instinctively volleyed in by Kuyt.
                        Game over.

                        "I've known about Kuyt for years," Benitez said. "He always works really
                        hard and is very consistent, which is not easy for a striker. He creates
                        chances and space for team-mates, and he has a good understanding with
                        Crouch."

                        Reading, who have now lost four games in a row, were always going to
                        struggle after they went a goal down. Steve Coppell's game plan was to try
                        to bottle-neck Liverpool by corking Kuyt.

                        The Dutchman has a great gift for finding space with his off-the-ball
                        movement, so the Reading manager opted to play Sam Sodje as a spare man at the back to try to suffocate the former Feyenoord striker's play. The
                        unfortunate trade-off was that Kevin Doyle, playing as a lone striker for
                        Reading, had no support. Indeed, aside from an early shot from James Harper,
                        which came back off Jamie Carragher's heel, the visitors created little in
                        the first half.

                        "Two years ago they were European champions and we were in a different
                        division," Coppell said. "We're trying to close a huge gap."

                        Liverpool's answer to Reading's tactical poser was to stretch the game
                        horizontally, trying to get crosses in from the flanks. That was how they
                        managed to open the scoring, yet the trick was not easily repeated. Kuyt did
                        miss two headers, just before half-time, but without any real pace to
                        threaten the space behind the Reading defence, Liverpool struggled to impose
                        themselves.

                        As the game wore on Liverpool inevitably got the jitters. Reading even got
                        the ball in the net, from a Glen Little corner, but Ibrahima Sonko had
                        accidentally butted Jose Reina - this, the same defender who had knocked out
                        Carlo Cudicini in the infamous game with Chelsea - in the process. The
                        Spaniard was left a little rattled and his handling deteriorated in the
                        closing stages.

                        If Reina had looked uncomfortable on corners, it was to be one at the other
                        end that proved decisive as Kuyt's predatory awareness spared Liverpool a
                        frustrating end.

                        If Benitez can find a system that gets the best out of Kuyt - and that may
                        mean ditching the enthusiastic, but impotent Crouch - then Liverpool can
                        start posing truly demanding questions of any defence.

                        The Kop gave the Dutchman a standing ovation as he was replaced by Robbie
                        Fowler with just minutes left to play. Should Benitez sign more players of
                        Kuyt's calibre for the faithful fans to applaud, then he could bring the
                        title to the thirsty banks of the Mersey.
                        are they any more mediocre than fletcher and o'shea? any more inconsistent than hleb or van persie?
                        "At a football club, there's a holy trinity - the players, the manager and the supporters. Directors don't come into it. They are only there to sign the cheques"

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by carrsim
                          are they any more mediocre than fletcher and o'shea? any more inconsistent than hleb or van persie?
                          I'd trade Garcia, Zenden and Pennant for Hleb and Van Persie all day long.
                          "Let me say for the record, I am not a gangster and never have been. Im not the thief who grabs your purse. Im not the guy who jacks your car. Im not down with the people who steal and hurt others. Im just a brother who fight back."
                          Tupac

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                            #14
                            I know of Jermaine Pennant through some mates in East London - he used to live with that **** Ashley Cole in Stepney. He is very talented, but at the moment very nervous playing for us. He is so made up that he often freezes... he needs to be encouraged to take on the left back and go on the outside... his time will come.

                            Zenden is **** - agreed.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Rashid
                              I know of Jermaine Pennant through some mates in East London - he used to live with that **** Ashley Cole in Stepney. He is very talented, but at the moment very nervous playing for us. He is so made up that he often freezes... he needs to be encouraged to take on the left back and go on the outside... his time will come.
                              Kinell Rash you've surprised me there. Totally agree with all of that
                              Like blood on iron

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