Oliver Holt and his insistent anti Liverpool Campaign

[Vermilion]

It used to be the 'London press' until recently.

I'm glad people have stopped using the term.

Also, referring to the 'press' is a bit like referring to the internet. It's just a bunch of individuals expressing their opinions. The ones we are particularly referring to currently are obnoxious individuals obviously.

I'm not having a pop at you btw, just the wider simplification of all of this.

haha, i thought Jas was being sarcastic, talking about it going on since Rafa's first season as if it was a really looooong 'press campaign'.

[dom9]

Ah maybe. But my point stands.

[Vermilion]

Ah maybe. But my point stands.

[The Birdman]

My problem with journalists is they now all believe that their opinion matters.
Like Sky giving them a platform on the Sunday Supplement.

As I understand it, and please someone correct me if I am wrong journalists are qualified to write, they learn how to construct articles, get across pertinent points in x amount of words by a deadline.
That doesn't make them qualified to pass their opinion off as fact.

Journalists have gone away from reporting the facts to writing whatever supports their agenda.
What exactly makes Winter, Holt, Barclay etc... qualified to pass judgement on football perople, tactics etc....

Sadly (for us) as the internet comes even more to the fore through future generations print media circulations will continue to diminish so they will become even more sensationailised to try and hang on to readership.

Pretty much 75% of all journalists are cunts with no right or background or experience to be commenting on football.
Report the facts and we'll do the rest thanks

[dom9]

My problem with journalists is they now all believe that their opinion matters.
Like Sky giving them a platform on the Sunday Supplement.

As I understand it, and please someone correct me if I am wrong journalists are qualified to write, they learn how to construct articles, get across pertinent points in x amount of words by a deadline.
That doesn't make them qualified to pass their opinion off as fact.

Journalists have gone away from reporting the facts to writing whatever supports their agenda.
What exactly makes Winter, Holt, Barclay etc... qualified to pass judgement on football perople, tactics etc....

Sadly (for us) as the internet comes even more to the fore through future generations print media circulations will continue to diminish so they will become even more sensationailised to try and hang on to readership.

Pretty much 75% of all journalists are cunts with no right or background or experience to be commenting on football.
Report the facts and we'll do the rest thanks

That could be said about journalists throughout history. Not limited to sport.

It's only through the internet that the majority have now been given a voice and it has exposed those who are paid to write to an extent.

[Buzzo]

That 'Sunday Supplement' thing is an abomination.

I have no idea why anyone would ever watch it. Who gives a **** about what a load of fat journos think about what they and their contemporaries have written in the sports pages. To me the only thing worse than having to read the ****e they write would be having to hear, and worse watch, them pour over the minutae and explain in immense detail their beliefs on the various football issues.

[The_weatherman]

I'd classify most of these hacks as columnists, not journalists or reporter.

[fah-q]

The only time i've ever watched that Sunday supplement program was the day after we spanked the mancs 4-1 at their place. That was funny.

Nearly every single football program is made by simple cunts for simple cunts (as Hollow would say).

[ronanm]

That 'Sunday Supplement' thing is an abomination.

I have no idea why anyone would ever watch it. Who gives a **** about what a load of fat journos think about what they and their contemporaries have written in the sports pages. To me the only thing worse than having to read the ****e they write would be having to hear, and worse watch, them pour over the minutae and explain in immense detail their beliefs on the various football issues.

Similarly, who'd have thought watching 22 young men running round in shorts would be so appealing?

[3827]

Before the Internet and Twitter, reporters had time to write a report and check facts. Now these same reporters are expected to file something on line within minutes of the game/event happening. This rush leads to innacuracies and single sourced stories. The Mirror website reporting the Oldham player being racially abused story is a case in point.

The problem comes that in the old days if a particular newspaper continued making errors then readers could move to another one and circulation would fall, and advertisiers would take there business elsewhere.

Today if a newspaper website reports something that people dont agree with then it receives hundreds of hits from people posting in the comments section. The problem is that this only boosts that particular newspapers website hit count which they can then use to sell advertising.

It no longer matters if what they report is fair and accurate. They can say almost anything and see their hit count go up. Its a win win for them.

[Muddled]

You a retired sports journalist 3827?

[dom9]

Before the Internet and Twitter, reporters had time to write a report and check facts. Now these same reporters are expected to file something on line within minutes of the game/event happening. This rush leads to innacuracies and single sourced stories. The Mirror website reporting the Oldham player being racially abused story is a case in point.

The problem comes that in the old days if a particular newspaper continued making errors then readers could move to another one and circulation would fall, and advertisiers would take there business elsewhere.

Today if a newspaper website reports something that people dont agree with then it receives hundreds of hits from people posting in the comments section. The problem is that this only boosts that particular newspapers website hit count which they can then use to sell advertising.

It no longer matters if what they report is fair and accurate. They can say almost anything and see their hit count go up. Its a win win for them.

It's exactly what Talk Sport do verbally.

[3827]

You a retired sports journalist 3827?

No

[3827]

To be fair I think we are in this halfway house where the papers dont quite know what to do. It will be interesting if the Levenson enquiry delivers any guidelines on this.

I think we will end up with people accepting that the Internet is unregulated, so cant always be trusted and the papers are regulated and are therefore trustworthy, well up to a certain point!

[dom9]

To be fair I think we are in this halfway house where the papers dont quite know what to do. It will be interesting if the Levenson enquiry delivers any guidelines on this.

I think we will end up with people accepting that the Internet is unregulated, so cant always be trusted and the papers are regulated and are therefore trustworthy, well up to a certain point!

Even if the same people are contributing to both simultanously?

So the internet is a continuous stream of consciousness, whilst the paper version is the edited, regulated version of the same report or article?