Our players out on loan

[SB]

So I was thinking about who is getting game time out of our loanees & who isn’t so feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but based on the past week here goes.

LOANS

Vitor Jaros : Ajax : season loan Has played regularly this season

Harvey Davies : Crawley : season loan played on the weekend in a struggling side

Owen Beck : Derby : season loan been injured & is returning to us apparently

Isaac Mabaya : Wigan : season loan not being used in the league

Luca Stephenson: Dundee United : season loan after signing a new contract tearing it up in Scotland, regular starter playing 90 mins each week

Lewis Koumas : Birmingham: season loan playing regularly

James McConnell : Ajax : season loan hardly used & has returned to us

Kostas Tsimikas : Roma : season loan bit part player

Harvey Elliot : Aston Villa : season loan + obligation to buy of £30m frozen out

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A few things, Elliott accepted a larger salary than his Liverpool one, Vila need to pay that off, Obviously a termination fee / loan fee needs to be sorted - Villa it seems are happy to let Harvey rot until June 2026 rather than sort, maybe a wee bit from us as well - Feel sorry for the kid TBH

I didn't know about salary increase I would have assumed he would have been on same salary as at LFC while it was a loan and would have sorted a salary that may he higher starting when he was permanently transfered. Seems a bit mad to offer higher wages while on loan than player gets at parent club.

The loan fee and/or any termination/cancel of the transfer part would already have been agreed so i doubt there is negotiation on this as it stands, I guess Villa want LFC to cancel the deal so they can get out of paying, and LFC want them to pay so it's a game of chicken. All Villa will save are his wages for 6 months which probably aren't much in grand scheme, unless LFC blink first, but I don't see that happening as I doubt Slot is desperate to have him back. Not sure how much we are talking about in fees

But yeah as you say it is the player who is the biggest loser in this situation. IMO with our squad he's probably getting at least 15mins off the bench in most games and starting FA Cup games, which may not be alot but it's more than he gets at Villa

[Le Chef]

I guess there are a number of factors in the Elliott deal: firstly it seems as the deal stands Villa have to pay a fee not to take up the option to buy, presumably they could do that at any point, now or at the end of the season not sure if there are advantages in waiting until the end of the season. Secondly if Villa initiate a return they will have to pay the fee, if Liverpool were to try and initiate a return Villa would think they could get out of paying said fee. Thirdly both us and Villa are hopefully challenging for CL spots so the might think that it's better for them to hang on to Elliott and not play him rather than let him return to us and potentially have him help us get CL place which could be at their expense.

A few things, Elliott accepted a larger salary than his Liverpool one, Vila need to pay that off, Obviously a termination fee / loan fee needs to be sorted - Villa it seems are happy to let Harvey rot until June 2026 rather than sort, maybe a wee bit from us as well - Feel sorry for the kid TBH

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I guess there are a number of factors in the Elliott deal: firstly it seems as the deal stands Villa have to pay a fee not to take up the option to buy, presumably they could do that at any point, now or at the end of the season not sure if there are advantages in waiting until the end of the season. Secondly if Villa initiate a return they will have to pay the fee, if Liverpool were to try and initiate a return Villa would think they could get out of paying said fee. Thirdly both us and Villa are hopefully challenging for CL spots so the might think that it's better for them to hang on to Elliott and not play him rather than let him return to us and potentially have him help us get CL place which could be at their expense.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cr4kx9l7zd5o

[Charly]

I think the rule should apply to two teams in the same league, not overall.

Regardless, we could do with an extra body in midfield

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https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/s...022627996?s=20

Are we/Elliott going to apply for special dispensation to allow him to play for another club. IMO we'd be mad not to have him in the squad if Villa terminate his loan given the lack of squad options and numbers. Also MLS is a big drop for him

[SB]

There is some talk of looking for a loan move for Nyoni, I wonder if that happens we would bring back McConnoll and keep him in the squad. It seems Elliott probably comes back but he's more an attacking mid or right sided player.

Yeah I saw that suggestion too & it makes sense instead of sitting him on the bench. He & Rio need to be playing , I know they may get minutes in the FA Cup but it’s not enough

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There is some talk of looking for a loan move for Nyoni, I wonder if that happens we would bring back McConnoll and keep him in the squad. It seems Elliott probably comes back but he's more an attacking mid or right sided player.

[SB]

Our loans dept staff might be busy , McConnell, Tsimikas & Elliot to name a few

[peterbread]

McConnell looks like he’s coming back from Ajax early and is being linked with a loan to West Brom, Derby, Oxford United or Swansea.

Swansea have recently appointed Vitor Matos as their manager.

[SB]

True kind of pointless if he’s not going to get a chance.

Same as wasting Rio & Trey on the bench every week instead of letting them get some game time with the 21’s ( although I do realise the 21’s have had no matches but they could have played for the 19’s in Europe for example )

[peterbread]

True kind of pointless if he’s not going to get a chance.

[SB]

Stephenson scored today.

I don’t know if he’d be good enough but maybe an option to bring him back in January if they can. He could be handy to fill in at RB and offer another body in midfield or CB. Seemed to have a really good preseason playing n defence.

He does seem to be doing well but Slot doesn’t seem interested in playing the kids.

[peterbread]

Stephenson scored today.

I don’t know if he’d be good enough but maybe an option to bring him back in January if they can. He could be handy to fill in at RB and offer another body in midfield or CB. Seemed to have a really good preseason playing n defence.