Villa Post Match

[Exiled_red]

We lack tactical awareness. The players and coaching staff need to take responsibility for this.

That's down to the manager and coaches, this is were we miss a Rafa type manager with all the fine details are considered and analysed. At the moment we don't have the fine details worked out, we are even lacking some of the fundamentals

[Gibbo]

I'd like to add the fact that I think Shelvey is better than Hendo and was about £15m cheaper.

He has a lot more self belief which is something that Henderson massively lacks imo.

[ChesterDave]

Massive over reactions all around. We have nothing to play for in the League and the players aren't even half arsed.

They ****ing should be arsed though. For their own dignity at the very least.

[Mattshark]

how do you know of hendersons mentality? have you sat him down and psychoanalysed him?

Clearly this is judging him on how he players.

[destinydude]

Shelvey's work rate is beyond pathetic. Just playing some confident hollywood passes is not all that you need to be a good top level player.

Shelvey is just another Adam in the making by the looks of it, only younger.

[ric.williams]

Clearly this is judging him on how he players.

the hole teams **** so how do you conclude that the young lad of 21 or so is mentality not up to it?

[Exiled_red]

They ****ing should be arsed though. For their own dignity at the very least.

Most of them should be playing for their futures aside from anything else...

[destinydude]

They ****ing should be arsed though. For their own dignity at the very least.

Logically, they should be but practically sometimes, they won't be. So, that's what is happening right now.

[Gibbo]

Shelvey's work rate is beyond pathetic. Just playing some confident hollywood passes is not all that you need to be a good top level player.

Shelvey is just another Adam in the making by the looks of it, only younger.

Having sidewards passes intercepted is just as bad if not worse.

Decision making is our main problem, followed by lack of mentality.

[Mattshark]

the hole teams **** so how do you conclude that the young lad of 21 or so is mentality not up to it?

Because he hides in games too often, even when we are playing well he can disappear in a game. He shows no fight at all.

[Mostar]

I'd sell Carroll and Adam.

No point in selling Downing, he wont retain value and can be used as a squad player.

Henderson has youth and basic attributes on his side.

Not sure that I agree. For the money we spent on him he is a decent option coming from the bench but the problem is that he played too much and we relied imo on him too much this season.

The players that I'd sell:

Carroll
Downing
Kuyt (wages and past his best)
Maxi (wages and also past his best)

We really have problems in the midfield and upfront and imo if we really want to be on top with other big clubs we need to buy smart this window.

Need at least a CM/box-to-box, AM, a striker and one more player that can play wide but also play inside.

[destinydude]

Because he hides in games too often, even when we are playing well he can disappear in a game. He shows no fight at all.

Just like Lucas did when he started off?

[Mattshark]

Just like Lucas did when he started off?

He really didn't though. Lucas got stuck in and tackled.

[destinydude]

Having sidewards passes intercepted is just as bad if not worse.

Decision making is our main problem, followed by lack of mentality.

Sure but with Henderson, you at least get defensive stability. With Shelvey, it's alike flipping a coin and leaving it to chance

[Gibbo]

Not sure that I agree. For the money we spent on him he is a decent option coming from the bench but the problem is that he played too much and we relied imo on him too much this season.

The players that I'd sell:

Carroll
Downing
Kuyt (wages and past his best)
Maxi (wages and also past his best)

We really have problems in the midfield and upfront and imo if we really want to be on top with other big clubs we need to buy smart this window.

Need at least a CM/box-to-box, AM, a striker and one more player that can play wide but also play inside.

If his set pieces where to improve and he wasn't so rash in his challenges then I wouldn't see a problem with him.

We made the same mistake on Adam as we did Carroll, one good season is not enough time to judge a player, especially as the main reason we bought him was for his passing/set pieces.

I think I once referred to Adam as a poor mans Alonso, When realistically he is not good enough to lace Xabi's boots.