New manager thread

[Yozza]

http://flic.kr/p/aKvB1K

[Catrin]

[QUOTE=el matador;

Finally, Rafa turns up with a an A0 poster of him holding the Champions league in Istanbul.[/QUOTE]

He is often written off as a lucky manager but it wasn't just luck that got that team to that final. Hard work and a bit of genius, on and off the pitch.

[Lecter]

Think they were really worried about approaching someone, however discreetly, and it leaking out tbh before Kenny was gone officially.

It can be done though

FFS Parry approached Rafa in March before canning Houllier in May

Did that leak???

[fred_plasticine]

Jurgen Klopp has become the second manager today to turn down Liverpool.

link

i'm sorry to hear that but then again it's hardly surprising. he was never a realistic target, always out of reach...

on a different note - before reaching the heights with dortmund he was were martinez is now. talented but nothing to show for and everything to prove.

[el matador]

[quote=Danoner Forrest;2309720]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ospital-839724

Only a ****ing nosebleed but its a start


Fergie 'ambulance drama': Reds boss 'rushed to hospital with suspected heavy nose bleed'Fergie had been due to speak at a dinner in Glasgow to mark the 40th anniversary of Rangers’ Cup Winners’ Cup Final win

How can you have a suspected heavy nosebleed??
Either you have or you havent..?

Lets hope its something far more serious

Whichever slant we put on it fergie is a terrific manager and as important shankly and kenny are to us fergie is to them. Dont get me wrong I have no affection for him but you have to respect the guy for what hes achieved.

[Lecter]

I think one of the unspoken things happening here is that FSG and Ian Ayre in particular are not projecting solid leadership in any of this. What I think people resent are the following:

1. I think people are uncertain how much FSG know about football

2. The only person at the club who had any football knowledge, not marketing or revenue, but football-- was Kenny. Yes, his signings were ****, yes the points total was ****, yes his tactics were often ****, but there is no denying his knowledge of the game. It is one thing to have a plan and fail, it is another to not know what you're doing. Can't say that about Kenny.

3. I think there is an unspoken feeling that if you're going to sack Kenny, you better have something better that speaks to your ambition and you better have it in your pocket lest you risk having all of your top targets decline. More uncertainty.

4. Many of the names we've been linked to are underwhelming in relationship to Kenny's CV and loyalty to the club

5. Casting a wide net and interviewing people may not be the best policy; knowing who you want, because you know they are what you want, projects a much more stable approach. The process is a bit of a mess already and it has not been 48 hours.

6. The choice of stability, of a KNOWN quantity, is desirable under these circumstances, hence the Rafa support, in addition to people feeling he was hard done by the cunts who got us here in the first place. Most of us want a manager who loves the club and the supporters; Rafa ticks all the boxes and he feels the most "Liverpool" of managerial candidates.

7. the fact that FSG and Ian Ayre are waffling on Rafa while holding a long list of potential targets only strengthens the impression that they don't understand the game or the club

8. The fact that FSG said they would be turning to "experts" for advice and then hiring the Director of Communications off Twitter again seems to underscore that they do not have a credible vision.

9. FSG walked in, installed Kenny and let him and Comolli spend ****loads of money on players who have underperformed. Not just one player, ALL OF THEM. yes, a few are getting better, but none have come close to justifying their price tags. If I were FSG, I would feel like I've been had, like I've been surrounding myself with the wrong people, spending money on their advice with no return, and I'd be PISSED. Of course, if I were FSG, I would have ****ing KNOWN BETTER IN THE FIRST PLACE.

10. Through no fault of his own, Roberto Martinez has managed a **** club for three years and kept them up without performing an absolute miracle and getting them in the top half. That fact alone makes many believe he is not qualified to manage our side. (I disagree, but I understand the concern). After Hodgson, no one wants to see another mid-low table manager come in and have us losing and hovering near the middle or bottom of the table.

11. Where's the new ****ing stadium everyone promises?

Look, all of this makes everyone nervous because none of us want another 5 years of ****ing agony.

This is one of the longterm problems at the club in general. Yes, the new kits are awesome, kit sponsor amazing, we are paid off of most of the debt on the club, we seem to be in better shape in many ways. BUT there is no leader and no faith that anyone in a position of power knows who to target to get us buzzing again on the pitch. If Ian Ayre is to be the Director and the voice of the team, he has a LOT to learn in my opinion. FSG asking everyone for advice and opinions seems weak and if that is the case, who can have faith they will make the right choice?

ALL OF THAT SAID....

I want them to hire AVB, get a great Director of Football with him, keep Steve Clarke, buy some players we need and let's get on with it.

The process sucks any way you look at it. I know FSG are true sportsmen and they have put in a lot of money and they want to win; Spurs and Arsenal are not above us in the table given their expenditures-- they are playing better football than us! We may not overtake Chelsea United and City on £, but we should be able to compete for CL places and who knows, get in the race for the title. FSG know this much. How do we get there? There does not seem to be a viable, easy to grab answer that everyone can get behind. FSG are not projecting competency in terms of footballing decisions. It's scary. So, I respect those who have doubts, but I do think FSG will figure it out NOW and do the right thing.

Rafa or AVB would be a good, solid start.

Martinez- you have bigger balls than me, but maybe he's special. But who among those hiring do I trust to know better?

It's worrying, but all I can do is hope we'll do the right thing.

Where was I? Oh yeah...

Great post agree with an awful lot of that

[Lecter]

i reckon it'll be at least next week before we get any real kind of indication about who it's going to be. possibly the week after. definitely a thursday.

[Lecter]

i'm sorry to hear that but then again it's hardly surprising. he was never a realistic target, always out of reach...

on a different note - before reaching the heights with dortmund he was were martinez is now. talented but nothing to show for and everything to prove.

A lot of the 12 candidates will be these type (hopefully)

The problem is what will be left when those not interested rule themselves out

[Lecter]

Blood Red: Liverpool FC fans’ fears must be eased by top class appointment

by James Pearce, Liverpool Echo
May 19 2012


THE REACTION was in keeping with the current feelings of uncertainty and unease among Liverpool supporters.

A message from the club to its 930,000 Twitter followers yesterday asked: “Who do you want to replace Kenny Dalglish as LFC manager? Reply with your suggestions and reasons.”

It was an attempt to gauge opinion for a feature on the Reds’ official website but some angrily interpreted it as a plea for help in finding the right candidate.

A backlash ensured within half an hour it had been deleted followed by the message that the “context of our last tweet seems to have been misunderstood”.


The timing was certainly unfortunate as it came just hours after Swansea City boss Brendan Rodgers had rejected the chance to meet Liverpool officials to discuss the vacancy.

But the response simply underlined the scrutiny the club is under as Fenway Sports Group (FSG) consider their next move.

The sacking of Dalglish has divided supporters down the middle.

Some share the owners’ belief that fresh blood and new ideas are required to take the club forward, while others remain adamant that the Reds legend should have been afforded the time and patience to continue the work he had started.

Emotions are running high because FSG didn’t just sack a manager, they showed the door to a Kop icon who only 11 weeks earlier had won Liverpool’s first trophy for six years.

The dramatic decision polarised opinion but all those fans remain united by one thing – wanting the best for Liverpool Football Club.

Having taken a big gamble, FSG are now tasked with delivering that. They have moved on and supporters have no choice but to do likewise.

At the moment there is a fear of the unknown. A fear of where the Reds are heading.

Principal owner John W Henry and chairman Tom Werner are relying on a number of advisers, whose identity hasn’t been revealed, to help them in their search for Dalglish’s successor.

FSG plan to speak to around a dozen candidates before compiling a shortlist early next week.

Casting the net so far and wide is understandable but as Rodgers’ rejection showed, there are drawbacks.

Asking someone employed by another club to publicly admit an interest in a job they could have little hope of actually getting is a big ask.

The gulf in experience and honours between some of the names FSG have pinpointed is huge. Wigan’s Roberto Martinez is young and talented but Anfield would represent a massive step up in terms of pressure and expectations for the Spaniard.

With FSG having made clear that Champions League qualification is paramount, the new man’s impact would need to be instant.

Over the coming weeks Liverpool will unveil a whole host of senior appointments in a new structure. Fans want to see real direction and a sense of purpose.

More than anything at the centre of that set-up they want to see a top class manager they can really believe in.

“We may have lost our way a little in terms of performances but I still think this is one of the biggest jobs in world football,” said Reds MD Ayre.

Whether that still rings true will be proved by the calibre of Dalglish’s replacement. It’s a decision that will shape Liverpool’s destiny for years to come.



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[Rich]

These shadowy football experts they're speaking with for 'advice' is deeply troubling.

Who is the say what their motives are? Let's not forget that LFC has been respected but despised over the years due to its success. Would someone like David Dein give the right advice - especially knowing that if LFC improve dramatically they'll again be competing directly with his beloved Arsenal?

In hindsight the Comolli appointment was made because someone told FSG he was good, they didn't know any better.

My other concern going into next season is the new manager already knows what he has to do - sack off the cups and concentrate on the league.

He might as well play the youth team in the cups. As ultimately FSG and Ayre have confirmed this week that they're not interested in them - at all. Are the fans happy with that?

So 4th place or higher becomes the minimum requirement, with perhaps only a points total close to 4th giving the manager a chance to continue. This smacks very much of short termism and something we used to mock the likes of Chelsea for.

[Vermilion]

These shadowy football experts they're speaking with for 'advice' is deeply troubling.

Who is the say what their motives are? Let's not forget that LFC has been respected but despised over the years due to its success. Would someone like David Dein give the right advice - especially knowing that if LFC improve dramatically they'll again be competing directly with his beloved Arsenal?

In hindsight the Comolli appointment was made because someone told FSG he was good, they didn't know any better.

My other concern going into next season is the new manager already knows what he has to do - sack off the cups and concentrate on the league.

He might as well play the youth team in the cups. As ultimately FSG and Ayre have confirmed this week that they're not interested in them - at all. Are the fans happy with that?

So 4th place or higher becomes the minimum requirement, with perhaps only a points total close to 4th giving the manager a chance to continue. This smacks very much of short termism and something we used to mock the likes of Chelsea for.

I think Parry will/must be one of them, he was here when Rafa came, messed up the sale obviously, and other things, but he'll be one of them imo, he help set up the Prem etc, was at LFC for ages, a fan, Parry must be one they'd ask, and people in the game probably consider him to be pre-emintent ?

[RichC]

Although I am concerned at the moment with no manager, DoF or anyone else in a managerial role that is a genuine "football man" I do believe that FSG will do their upmost to get it right and employ the best manager they can find.

I actually think this is the route they'd have wanted to go last Summer but gave Kenny the job after what he'd done for us in the back end of the previous season, and let's be honest the backlash from the fans would have huge if he'd not got the job.

It's starting to feel like they'll go for AVB, if he's given a fair crack of the whip he could be a very good for us and I just dont think Rafa will be back

[Lecter]

These shadowy football experts they're speaking with for 'advice' is deeply troubling.

Who is the say what their motives are? Let's not forget that LFC has been respected but despised over the years due to its success. Would someone like David Dein give the right advice - especially knowing that if LFC improve dramatically they'll again be competing directly with his beloved Arsenal?

In hindsight the Comolli appointment was made because someone told FSG he was good, they didn't know any better.

My other concern going into next season is the new manager already knows what he has to do - sack off the cups and concentrate on the league.

He might as well play the youth team in the cups. As ultimately FSG and Ayre have confirmed this week that they're not interested in them - at all. Are the fans happy with that?

So 4th place or higher becomes the minimum requirement, with perhaps only a points total close to 4th giving the manager a chance to continue. This smacks very much of short termism and something we used to mock the likes of Chelsea for.

[Rich]

Although I am concerned at the moment with no manager, DoF or anyone else in a managerial role that is a genuine "football man" I do believe that FSG will do their upmost to get it right and employ the best manager they can find.

I actually think this is the route they'd have wanted to go last Summer but gave Kenny the job after what he'd done for us in the back end of the previous season, and let's be honest the backlash from the fans would have huge if he'd not got the job.

It's starting to feel like they'll go for AVB, if he's given a fair crack of the whip he could be a very good for us and I just dont think Rafa will be back

I'd prefer Rafa but would be happy with AVB. He'll be in a similar situation to his time at Chelsea though - needs to mold a team quickly and needs to hit 4th or higher.

He failed first time, has he learnt from it? If he's as good as some reckon then he should have.

[Lecter]

I think Parry will/must be one of them, he was here when Rafa came, messed up the sale obviously, and other things, but he'll be one of them imo, he help set up the Prem etc, was at LFC for ages, a fan, Parry must be one they'd ask, and people in the game probably consider him to be pre-emintent ?

I was worried enough about who was advising them before this suggestion