New manager thread

[Darkon]

Very good point there and perhaps an indicator of Txiki being our new DOF. I remember him being linked several times with the Barcelona job and he was even linked with us last year as an assistant to Roy Hodgson.

The last part was hillarious though, he is finished being an assistant after his time with Morten Olsen at the Danish national team + he is just such a different type that it would never work .

The thing about Laudrup is though, that he so far in his career have not been an instant impact manager. If we afford him more time and have more patience than with Kenny, he could be a very good choice I believe. If not then we will have to look for a new manager in 12 months if instant results are demanded yet again.

Laudrup fits one of my most important criterias right now, and that is having the name to attract players on his own. Very few managers have that.

[Exiled_red]

Nice to see Laudrup being linked to the job.

Anyway, I still want Andre Villas Boas. With a DOF like Tixi, they have the potential to transform the club.

Steve Clarke is there, and they would've had a working relationship at Chelsea.

I'm not liking how the media are playing this 'Rafa's on the list, Rafa isn't.'
It's teasing the fans, because they know what the polls are saying.

Klopp's dropped out, Rafa, well who knows? I think we can safely assume Guardiola's not coming. Not much left really in terms of quality, potential and ability to attract high calibre players.

The press don't really know more than we do most of the stuff is speculation.

[Phoenix07]

If Txiki is our DOF why havent they announced it

Such an announcement would surely take the pressure off FSG and might actually make the job more attractive to some people

Only FSG know that. I agree about it making the job more attractive. I get the feeling they want to announce everything in one go and make it all 'This is the new Liverpool' type of bull****.

The last part was hillarious though, he is finished being an assistant after his time with Morten Olsen at the Danish national team + he is just such a different type that it would never work .

The thing about Laudrup is though, that he so far in his career have not been an instant impact manager. If we afford him more time and have more patience than with Kenny, he could be a very good choice I believe. If not then we will have to look for a new manager in 12 months if instant results are demanded yet again.

Laudrup fits one of my most important criterias right now, and that is having the name to attract players on his own. Very few managers have that.

It was just a link being circulated quite heavily in the Danish press. Laudrup rejected it apparently.

[Lecter]

The last part was hillarious though, he is finished being an assistant after his time with Morten Olsen at the Danish national team + he is just such a different type that it would never work .

The thing about Laudrup is though, that he so far in his career have not been an instant impact manager. If we afford him more time and have more patience than with Kenny, he could be a very good choice I believe. If not then we will have to look for a new manager in 12 months if instant results are demanded yet again.

Laudrup fits one of my most important criterias right now, and that is having the name to attract players on his own. Very few managers have that.

I dont see FSG showing anyone that level of patience

Instant results/improvement will be demanded

If that doesnt happen they'll rip it up and start again

[Darkon]

The press don't really know more than we do most of the stuff is speculation.

Can't believe so many get caught up / angry in what's written right now. The past year have shown well that nobody knows what's happening behind the scenes right now. We don't know what candidates and how many there are and yet people get almost angry at it!

It's speculation to sell clicks and papers.

[Lecter]

Only FSG know that. I agree about it making the job more attractive. I get the feeling they want to announce everything in one go and make it all 'This is the new Liverpool' type of bull****.

Personally I dont think they have a DOF in place

[slaine]

I don't subscribe to the notion that FSG chose Kenny based on the fan's noise, therefore they won't choose Rafa now argument.

I'm sure that the clamouring for Kenny was a factor, and I'm sure the clamouring now for Rafa is also a factor, but surely, if you are running a sports business, the view of the fans is always a factor. After all it is the fans that actually make the business profitable or not. I don't thing FSG would be thinking... 'we let them force us once, but never again'.

They've shown a generally hands off policy so far - deferring to let 'local' management run their course. Maybe they're stepping in now because things have gone so obviously wrong.
Kenny (God bless his cotton socks) should have only been an interim measure, and it's been painful to watch him not achieve what we all hoped he would. I think Ayre's failings are much more obvious, yet he still remains in the job - at the moment

I'm not excited by the prospect of Marinez particularly. I think Rafa is the way forward, but I'm not sure why all the accusing fingers pointing at FSG. Did we really want them to be more involved? If they start asset stripping ala the Glaziers, or dabbling too much ala Lerner, then there may be cause to complain, but to blame them for a bad season - one where they stumped up considerable cash for who they were told would be worth it?

I love Kenny to bits, and I had hoped he could have gone back upstairs in a more dignified manner, but if he didn't accept that, then I can see why he was sacked.

We, as a club, need to pull together a bit right now. Too much arguing, which is filtering down to even these forums. There seems to be a bit of a vacuum at the moment, which is fuelling the whole twitter bull****. Nobody knows squat, which is really how it should be. At the end of the day, the owners will live and die by the decisions they make, so trying to second guess them is somewhat pointless. Thy paid good money for a excellent 'brand'. They will obviously do the best they think they can in terms of manager, to maximise their return. This concept, I admit saddens me a bit, but this is the way football has gone - a column on a profit and loss report.... As fans, we have little input into the direction 'our club' takes.
To be fair to FSG, they seem better than many owners...
But my final point is to back up what Slinks said.. The forums have taken a bit of a nasty turn lately. Not sure why one Liverpool fan needs to insult/abuse/belittle/get one over on any other Liverpool fan. These are tough times, and we should be striving to maintain the camaraderie that makes Liverpool fans the best in the world. So hush with your snide remarks. Hush with you 'I know more than you' crap. Find peace that you are a fan of Liverpool FC, amongst other fans of Liverpool FC.

[Darkon]

I dont see FSG showing anyone that level of patience

Instant results/improvement will be demanded

If that doesnt happen they'll rip it up and start again

And there is the formula for not being succesfull again in a very long time

As Kenneth (I believe it was) said, if anyhing good comes out of this it's perhaps that many more starts viewing our position with some realism. Not sure it's the case reading around the internets.

[Vermilion]

What if the right man is put off by the process.

The way it should be done is that a club decides on what it wants its football philosophy ti be and then goes and finds the best man who can deliver that. You do your homework properly and privately and then you put all your efforts into getting the one guy you want. If you cant get him then you go the plan b.

Any manager looking at our process would think that they dont know what they want and the chances of getting the job are one in 12 which are long odds when you considering that usually a club might have two or three candidates in mind.

Which established and reputed manager is going to want to be rejected so publicly. Managers are headhunted with pin point precision whis is the exact opposite of what we are doing.

Yeah all fair points. But have the club actually said it is 12 candidates ?

[Lecter]

And there is the formula for not being succesfull again in a very long time

As Kenneth (I believe it was) said, if anyhing good comes out of this it's perhaps that many more starts viewing our position with some realism. Not sure it's the case reading around the internets.

[Vermilion]

Chelsea manage it...

Ok....i know...realism.

[TheElephantMan]

Yeah all fair points. But have the club actually said it is 12 candidates ?

That's what I was wondering? There's so much speculation the club cannot possibly confirm or deny anything. It seems they're just getting on with the process which is how it should be and yet the twits are getting angry. The media are loving the negativity surrounding the club right now. Discussing the merits or otherwise of potential candidates is fine, but when the debate becomes abusive (and I don't mean on here) then it's just crazy. We don't know anything for sure and neither do the journalists.

[Shanks]

Well Martinez didnt improve on Steve Brude so go figure that one out

To be fair, Steve Bruce had a slightly better calibre of player. Valencia, Cattermole, Palacios, Heskey, Zaki, etc..

[Vermilion]

To be fair, Steve Bruce had a slightly better calibre of player. Valencia, Cattermole, Palacios, Heskey, Zaki, etc..

This is the point when trying to judge any manager, even winning ones, what was the leage like at that time, strong or weak, what side did they start with, ie' quality of players at the club, there are sooooo many variables it's unreal, especially when looking at younger candidates..

I mean, just because a manager hasn't won anything in a fairly young career should exclude him, take our very own Rafa, had his Valencia era come today, then two Titles would have been almost impossible, imo, they'd have challenged obviously.. and the signs of him being a good manager would still be there for all to see.

[el matador]

Yeah all fair points. But have the club actually said it is 12 candidates ?

even if its 6 or 8 thats still three to five more imo.

really if we knew exactly what we wanted the real shortlist might have 2/3 candidates not 6/8/12.