Hillsborough

[McDermotX]

Napoli

That's great.

em?.....without wanting to spoil the tone and significance of this thread, is that not one of the banners that was going around Italy in the 80s, after Hillsborough, in a misguided reference to the Heysel Disaster.
Apologies if I'm wrong it's just there seems to be a lot of 80s attire in the crowd, and it's very similar to some of the Ultra slogans of that period.

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[Gibbo]

I dunno mate, Marcotti posted it and I think some people are informing him of the same point.

He's gone on to say it's deffo not that though.

[ChesterDave]

Cant see anything on image search, to suggest it is older than this week

[TheElephantMan]

It's clear that fans of clubs who have no axe to grind with us are supportive and those who hate us still hate us. **** 'em. I could never allow my allegiance to my football team override my sense of decency. All football teams have knobhead supporters, Manchester United have a proportionally higher percentage of complete ******s. It's a pity Wayne Rooney is such a brainless ****.

[McDermotX]

I dunno mate, Marcotti posted it and I think some people are informing him of the same point.

He's gone on to say it's deffo not that though.

Hope it is mate , it just really reminds me of the banners Juve fans had with "God Exists" and some such.

Wouldn't be right to place the image here, but it can be found with Google

Must be a lot of retro fans in Naples all the same, judging by their get up.

[TheElephantMan]

Off-topic, but can anyone please provide a link that reveals the names and location of the 14 supporters charged with manslaughter for the Heysel disaster?

[ChesterDave]

Doing a bit of Google searching I could only find the name of one of the acquitted. He was from Southampton.

I did also find out though that on the day of the fire at Bradford, a 15 year old was crushed under a collapsed wall during a riot between Birmingham and Leeds fans (at Birmingham)

And, not really for this thread but

Fodder when Everton fans whinge about how we got them banned from Europe - on the day of Heysel Everton were fined for the actions of their fans in the 1985 European Cup Winners Cup Semi Final.

[Chazza]

Manchester United and Liverpool to hold talks to defuse tensions ahead of crunch clash at Anfield

Manchester United chief executive David Gill is expected to hold talks with Liverpool managing director Ian Ayre this week in an attempt to defuse escalating tensions between supporters of the two clubs ahead of Sunday’s Premier League clash at Anfield.

By Mark Ogden and Chris Bascombe11:00PM BST 16 Sep 2012

Traditionally one of the more volatile fixtures on the Premier League calendar, the build-up to this weekend’s encounter has already been marred by anti-Liverpool chants, described as ‘deplorable’ by United, during the club’s victory against at Old Trafford on Saturday.

Although United supporters’ groups have claimed that the chant, ‘Always the victims, It’s never your fault,’ is related to the 1985 Heysel disaster, and last season’s racism case involving Liverpool’s Luis Suarez and United defender Patrice Evra, the airing of the song three days after documents relating to the 1989 Hillsborough disaster exonerated Liverpool supporters of any involvement in the deaths of 96 fellow supporters, has led to unavoidable condemnation over its connection to Hillsborough.

Directly after the “Always the victims” chant, a second chant of ‘murderers’ could be heard from the same part of the ground, but few supporters were participating. It lasted less time than was required for United to exchange one or two passes in the centre circle.

With United manager Sir Alex Ferguson calling for an end to unsavoury chants last Friday, the club reiterated that message in the wake of Saturday’s chanting by a minority of fans.

“The manager has made the club’s position very clear on this matter.” a United spokesperson said. “It is now up to the fans to respect that.”

The Manchester United Supporters’ Trust (MUST), attempted to play down the incident.

MUST said: “Following this week’s developments and release of revelatory information on the Hillsborough tragedy, MUST wishes to make it absolutely clear that just as we condemn chants mocking the Munich Air Disaster we also condemn any chants relating to Hillsborough or indeed any other human tragedy.

“We did hear the usual anti-Liverpool chants at the match but we’re pleased to say... there was nothing that was specifically referencing Hillsborough.”
United have no plans to review CCTV footage in an effort to identify those responsible for the chants but the club are determined to make every effort to ensure the trip to Anfield passes without incident.

Preliminary talks between the two clubs took place last week following the publication of the findings of the Hillsborough Independent Panel, but such was the magnitude of the revelations within the documents, Liverpool stressed to United their determination to digest the report fully before drawing up plans for any possible commemoration this weekend.

At this stage, no plans have been made for a minute’s silence to be held in memory of the 96 killed at Hillsborough, while the possibility of wreaths being laid by officials from both clubs is also yet to be fully addressed.

A mosaic in memory of the 96, projected by supporters on the Kop is, so far, the only confirmed element of pre-match plans to reflect the findings of the panel.

Meanwhile, Everton will show their solidarity with Liverpool following the report on Hillsborough with a tribute prior to Monday night’s home fixture with Newcastle.

There will an on-screen tribute to the victims of the tragedy in 1989, the images of the 96 who perished in Sheffield forming a powerful pre-match image.

The show of support towards Liverpool from within the game since the findings were made public continued on Sunday, with Reading playing the Liverpool anthem, You’ll Never Walk Alone, prior to the fixture against Tottenham at the Madejski Stadium.

The teams will be led on to the pitch by youngsters dressed in a Liverpool and Everton kit, and the ball boys will wear the number 96 on their backs.
United have made it clear to Liverpool that they are fully prepared to engage in detailed discussions at a senior level in order to finalise plans for the game.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9546776/Manchester-United-and-Liverpool-to-hold-talks-to-defuse-tensions-ahead-of-crunch-clash-at-Anfield.html

[Kenneth]

Hope it is mate , it just really reminds me of the banners Juve fans had with "God Exists" and some such.

Wouldn't be right to place the image here, but it can be found with Google

Must be a lot of retro fans in Naples all the same, judging by their get up.

Reminds me of the same. I don't think that is supportive at all, quite the opposite.

[Shaggy]

Don't think this has been posted...?

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/statement-from-hfsg

Statement from HFSG

The Hillsborough Family Support Group have today issued the following statement:

The findings of the Hillsborough Independent Panel have finally vindicated the families in their 23-year struggle to establish the truth. However, after truth must come justice. We have spoken today to our lawyers and taken initial advice.

As the families have always believed and insisted, it was the actions and inaction of those in authority that caused the deaths at Hillsborough on April 15, 1989.

The fans did not contribute to the tragedy. Any blame previously laid at their door has been shown to be part of a despicable conspiracy by those in authority to tarnish the reputations of the dead, the survivors of the disaster and the people of Liverpool. This conspiracy has been revealed for what it is; a bid to avoid accountability.Those responsible can avoid accountability no longer.

We strongly condemn the comments made this week by the Chief Constable of West Yorkshire Police which sought once again to suggest that the fans contributed in some way to the tragedy despite the Hillsborough Independent Panel's findings.

The scale of the wrongdoing and cover up is monumental and even greater than feared. It will leave an indelible stain on the reputations of those authorities in whom the public implicitly placed their trust.

Looking to the future, there are three avenues that we will rigorously follow to ensure that justice for the families is finally achieved:

First, the report of the Hillsborough Independent Panel clearly shows that the previous inquest proceeded on a false factual basis. Its conclusions can therefore no longer stand. We urge the Attorney General to apply for a new inquest as soon as possible. The families believe that a new inquest is absolutely necessary in order to ensure that justice may be done. We feel strongly that the new inquest should be held in Liverpool.

Second, we demand a full and immediate investigation into criminal prosecutions that may be brought against all those responsible. The families believe that prosecutions must be brought not only against those whose actions caused the distress, injury and loss of life on the day, but also against those who altered the written witness evidence, spread deceitful and hurtful lies and otherwise acted to suppress the truth for the last 23 years.

Finally, where appropriate, we will apply for civil proceedings to be re-opened where they may have, in the past, been dismissed or settled on a false factual basis. We will also consider launching new claims that may be now brought in light of the report's revelations.

We will not disclose the details of the advice we have received from our lawyers. However, we have instructed them to write on our behalf to all relevant parties, this coming week, to ensure that the machinery of the justice system is put into motion and the families receive a fair hearing. This is the first necessary step in what we hope will be the final stage of the families' quest to secure justice at last."

[rodo]

Reminds me of the same. I don't think that is supportive at all, quite the opposite.

have to agree mate really dont think its supportive at all and remember the trouble we had with napoli last season

[rodo]

A SENIOR South Yorkshire police chief raised the prospect of a junior officer taking the blame for the fateful decision to open Hillsborough’s Gate C, the ECHO has discovered.

Deputy Chief Constable (DCC) Peter Hayes discussed the possibility despite knowing full well the decision to open gates had been taken by the match commander Chief Supt David Duckenfield.

The possible plan is uncovered in documents contained within the damning Hillsborough Panel Report released last week.

Just four days after the tragedy, DCC Hayes, who retired from duty in March 1993, mooted the possibility of a mystery junior officer – named Mr X – “appearing” to say “I opened the gate”.



The comments were made in a meeting with the South Yorkshire Police’s solicitors Hammond Suddards, the secretariat to South Yorkshire Police Authority and the police authority’s insurers, Municipal Mutual Insurance.

The first writs seeking compensation for injuries sustained at Hillsborough were issued and served on the force on April 18 and the meeting with police officials was “to discuss the insurance and legal implications of the received and anticipated claims”.

The conversation centred around preparing the case for the Justice Taylor report and the insurance and legal implications surrounding those compensation claims, both already received and anticipated.

The meeting included scrutiny of what the minutes of the meeting termed the “legal representation for the two officers primarily concerned”.

DCC Hayes asked: “We have two senior officers one who is the Divisional Commander Chief Superintendent Duckenfield, and the other is the Deputy Divisional Commander Superintendent Marshall – who is the man who made the decision to open the gate.”

He added: “Those two people are in a very exposed position” and asks for clarity on legal cover to ensure they are “properly represented”.

But later on in the meeting he moots the possibility that both men could say they had nothing to do with the gate.

Instead an “officer X” could appear and state that he or she was so “terrified” that they and not the implicated senior officers opened it.

As the report reveals, he stated: “Just to clarify that, if it emerges that the opening of the gates at this particular time was clearly significant to the tragedy that occurred, etc, and these two senior officers could say, ‘well I was never asked about the opening of that gate, I never authorised the opening of that gate, I was not there when the gate was opened ....’ and officer ‘X’ appeared who says, ‘well I saw the wall moving, I was terrified and I opened the gate,’ then he might be one of the individuals who might become the Duckenfield/Marshall extension.

“If there are other people who significantly come into the picture you would consider them?”

A claims manager replied that: “I think officers at a lower level would probably, from my experience with police claims, go to the Police Federation anyway and feel more comfortable with that representation, but other individuals would be considered.”

Appalled relatives of those who died in the tragedy today branded the revelations “disgusting” and said it was further proof “the police wanted to see ‘who can we get to take the blame’.”

Margaret Aspinall, chairwoman of the Hillsborough Family Support Group, and whose son James, 18, died in the tragedy told the ECHO: “The whole conspiracy just gets bigger and bigger and there will be a lot more revelations.

“This is absolutely disgusting, just four days later they were asking ‘who can we get to take the blame for this?’ It’s a disgrace but nothing should shock us anymore, we knew it was a cover-up and now we have shown it.”

South Yorkshire Police confirmed Supt Marshall left the force in 1991, and DCC Hayes retired two years later.

It is well known and extensively referenced in the panel’s report that match commander Chief Superintendent David Duckenfield, who had minimal experience of managing football matches, gave the fateful go ahead for the opening of exit gates.

Duckenfield – who later lied that fans had broken into the stadium – did so, as the report notes, after senior officer outside the ground, Superintendent Roger Marshall “radioed that unless the large exit gates were opened to relieve the crush there would be serious injuries, possibly deaths. “Hesitating, Chief Supt Duckenfield gave the command to open the gates.”

Duckenfield retired on medical grounds in 1992 and a disciplinary investigation was dropped.

In 2000 a private prosecution was brought against him and his deputy Supt Bernard Murray.

A jury failed to reach a verdict on Duckenfield and Murray, who died from cancer in 2006, was acquitted.



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[paulg]

I've lurked on this thread, as it feels inappropriate for me to comment really.
I'm a Londoner, living in Kent, have never been to a live match but have supported Liverpool since I was 8. My overwhelming sense of being a fan of this wonderful club is that of a community and a family, regardless of where our fans are from.
I've read all of the posts and articles on this thread and watched the media coverage over the years. I remember watching the tragedy unfold on the TV, live.
Despite never actually going to a game, this has affected me more than I expected. My work colleagues are asking what's wrong, as I'm walking around in an angry daze for most of this past week. I feel a part of this club, unlike any fan of any other club I've ever spoken to. I hope that my lurking isn't felt as ghoulish or anything like that.
I don't really know what to say, just wanted to express how I'm feeling as someone who has only ever watched from afar, but still feels affected. As a parent and someone who lost my father at a very young age, I can only begin to understand how some of you feel.
YNWA, I applaud you all.

[Pablo]

Your opinion on this is just as valid as anyone else's Paul, I don't know why you should think otherwise . Lots of us who only ever saw it unfold on TV (some not even that) have still been deeply affected by it. It's normal so don't think your opinion counts for any less than anyone else's

[EwarWoo]

I watched it live on TV, aged about 12, alone in my room, and not truly understanding what was happenning.

I can't profess to understand how someone who was there feels, my experience is just a small fragment, but you didn't have to be there to be affected. It's something I still struggle to watch.

It's probably part of what made me close to the club. Truth be told I've gone off football big time lately. It's money grabbing bull**** that just pisses me off. But I can't stop loving the club.