Mancs Post Match

[barnes10]

Contact doesn't make it a penalty. There is clearly no foul from Johnson. If a foul is awarded for that anywhere else on the pitch the referee and the diver would be laughing stocks.

he tapped his ankle. thats an easy foul that gets given all the time - its a trip

[Shaggy]

Suarez doesn't win any fouls

he tapped his ankle. thats an easy foul that gets given all the time - its a trip

Completely disagree.

[Norbs]

I absolutely despair at the fact it has become accepted in the game and even among fans that "contact" is all that's required for a penalty to be given. What has this game become? Touching someone, putting your hand on someone's back, whatever, is not a foul. It is a contact sport. There was no foul by Johnson, none at all. Valencia dived, he cheated. He splayed his legs outwards in attempt to con the referee into thinking he'd somehow been fouled. And it worked.

Was the Suarez one a penalty mate? There was a bit of contact but never enough to bring him down if he didn't want to be taken down. I can't see what the solution is as there's a muddy area where proof of how much contact is needed can't be decided. The only solution is to award a penalty for all contact and yes that sucks. Thinking of solutions where it'd be better to encourage players to continue but can't think of anything sensible

[Vermilion]

The fact there's contact between GJ's toe & AV's heel gets Halsey off the hook.

Imo he did'nt give it for that.

[Shaggy]

Was the Suarez one a penalty mate? There was a bit of contact but never enough to bring him down if he didn't want to be taken down. I can't see what the solution is as there's a muddy area where proof of how much contact is needed can't be decided. The only solution is to award a penalty for all contact and yes that sucks. Thinking of solutions where it'd be better to encourage players to continue but can't think of anything sensible

Yep Evans fouled him. An actual foul. It was a foul in the 70s and it's a foul now. Johnson didn't foul Valencia.

[Norbs]

I'm also coming around to the idea that the Shelvey sending off also had something to do with the challenge he made a second or so before the one on Evans. He was getting pretty involved and the two challenges compounded his decision

[Norbs]

Yep Evans fouled him. An actual foul. It was a foul in the 70s and it's a foul now. Johnson didn't foul Valencia.

Apart from the push in the back. However soft it was

[Shaggy]

Apart from the push in the back. However soft it was

Not a push IMO. Putting your hand on someone's back isn't a push.

Anyway, we were shafted and it's not gonna change now. **** it.

[Maxiedge]

As Neville said on sunday, Johnson caught his right foot as he came around him before he even slid in. Add to that glen's right hand on his lower back/waist - you can see valencia's shirt become taut as it happens. That shows there was contact there too.

Perhaps Valencia was cute to sense it but if my ankle was tapped and then there was a hand pushing my back I'd be pretty retarded to not notice and not expect a challenge to come in. I'd then make the most of it to make sure I got a match winning penalty out of it (without flinging my head back and arms up in the air like our own diver). Its a bit lame to say it was never a penalty I think.

Some you win, some you lose.

At the end of the day, the ref gave the pen because of the slide tackle and not the other slightly more justifiable reasons. Valencia takes a dive just as the slide comes in. There's no way he would have seen the slight ankle contact. They're a bunch of ****ing cheats.

[Catrin]

I'm also coming around to the idea that the Shelvey sending off also had something to do with the challenge he made a second or so before the one on Evans. He was getting pretty involved and the two challenges compounded his decision

I agree on that one. Halsey's interpretation of the red card challenge will have been influenced by the robust challenge on Giggs immediately before it.

[Neil Young]

If that was relevant then he should have got a yellow for persistent fouling.

Halsey mishandled the whole situation.

[Kenneth]

I'm not sure how we are gauging the force of the contact of glens right hand and valencia's back to be honest. How is it possible to conclude it was a touch not a push? If that's inconclusive it begs the question of why glen would stick his right arm out and put his hand on Valencia's lower back, possibly grabbing the shirt (that's what it looks like). i don't think this is a case of 'any contact is a foul', I think its a case of glen pushing him in the back. You're left with 'he didn't push him that hard'.

[Mostar]

This is not conclusive at all. Look at Glen's hands.

By watching all angles it's nothing but the dive to me.

Push on the back did or didn't happen but Valencia fell as it was due to leg contact which definitely didn't happen.

Ref showed no consistency whatsoever.

There was one challenge on Agger in the first half and one on Suarez in the second half that were not called and they were as much as penalties as the one Halsey did call.

[Mostar]

Not a push IMO. Putting your hand on someone's back isn't a push.

Anyway, we were shafted and it's not gonna change now. **** it.

[Kenneth]

By watching all angles it's nothing but the dive to me.

Push on the back did or didn't happen but Valencia fell as it was due to leg contact which definitely didn't happen.

Ref showed no consistency whatsoever.

There was one challenge on Agger in the first half and one on Suarez in the second half that were not called and they were as much as penalties as the one Halsey did call.

The inconsitency is true, but that doesn't mean the Johnson one wasn't a penalty.