Mediocre at best

[Est:1982]

A) we spent (**** net spend, Torres fee into account blah blah arguments) we have spent...£75m on three players that play in the three positions I believe we lack, and not one of them gives us ****ing anything

B) because of that spend, I don't believe we have the cash available to rectify, certainly not in January..,which means

You're right - especially re: ignoring net spend - that money was still spent no matter how much you got in return.

I think spending this money on those players was the worst thing to happen to us since H&G, and you can't underestimate the negative impact that those two clowns had.

I'm just glad the people responsible for those signings are no longer at the club, but there's still a lot of clearing up of previous mess to do. Including getting rid of these players who show week in week out that they aren't good enough. Never mind good enough to warrant the fee paid.

But you know who'll get the blame if we haven't got money in January? Not the people who bought these players, but FSG, who carelessly gave them the money to fund them....

That said, giving us money to spend in January is important.

From their business point of view it's an investment they need to make. From a football point of view it's something we need to do to convince the fans, and our world class players such as Suarez and Agger, that this club still wants to go somewhere.

[Lecter]

The football is prettier than under Rafa first season but we look far less organised/disciplined and that is undermining us imo

I think a lot of people understimate what Rafa did that first season

He had little to spend he brought in Alonso, Garcia, Josemi & Nunez

Alonso was a revelation from the get-go and Garcia weighed in with quite a few goals that season

Rodgers needed that sort of contribution from his signings and I just dont see it so far

Allen has been by far his most successful signing and even he has been incredibly inconsistent

[Fredo]

The football is prettier than under Rafa first season but we look far less organised/disciplined and that is undermining us imo

I think a lot of people understimate what Rafa did that first season

He had little to spend he brought in Alonso, Garcia, Josemi & Nunez

Alonso was a revelation from the get-go and Garcia weighed in with quite a few goals that season

Rodgers needed that sort of contribution from his signings and I just dont see it so far

Allen has been by far his most successful signing and even he has been incredibly inconsistent

Borini was a strange signing for £10m and he scored what, 1 goal? That's one of the few criticisms I can aim at Rodgers to be honest.

Our problems defensively are just teething issues with the system IMO. Maybe he should have adapted our play and shored up the defensive side of things but it would have gone against the grain for him. Rodgers is building the squad from the front, not from the back - as far as analogies go with Rafa.

Both had issues as well.

[The_weatherman]

Borini was a strange signing for £10m and he scored what, 1 goal? That's one of the few criticisms I can aim at Rodgers to be honest.

Our problems defensively are just teething issues with the system IMO. Maybe he should have adapted our play and shored up the defensive side of things but it would have gone against the grain for him. Rodgers is building the squad from the front, not from the back - as far as analogies go with Rafa.

Both had issues as well.

Well, assuming you are right, which I'm not sure about, you don't build a squad from the front if you only have one goalscorer.

He is not starting at either end IMO, he's starting on the passing, which is kind of ****ing everything up IMO.

[MrMichael]

The football is prettier than under Rafa first season but we look far less organised/disciplined and that is undermining us imo

I think a lot of people understimate what Rafa did that first season

He had little to spend he brought in Alonso, Garcia, Josemi & Nunez

Alonso was a revelation from the get-go and Garcia weighed in with quite a few goals that season

Rodgers needed that sort of contribution from his signings and I just dont see it so far

Allen has been by far his most successful signing and even he has been incredibly inconsistent

There's some minor revisionism going on here imo. We lost 14 times in Rafa's first season in the league. 14.

"Little he had to spend"? Alonso was £10.7m, Garcia 6m, and although we lost Owen for peanuts he did get the prearranged transfer of Cisse for £14m. All told I'm pretty sure our net spend that summer, with a squad that had previously finished higher in the league, was at least what Rodgers had to spend in the summer, possibly more. Rafa brought in players he had existing knowledge of in Spain, Rodgers brought in players he had existing knowledge of... unfortunately not as wide as Rafa's but its little harsh right now to judge his 2 major signings; Allen looked very good then has had a dip in form coinciding with him playing a bit out of his natural role, while Borini got injured before we could really make any fair judgements.

Yes those players haven't had the impact we might have hoped, and its questionable whether he could have bought wiser, but in the long term they both can turn out to be very good buys. I think in the long term the comparison between Rafa and Rodgers first seasons, at least in the league, might turn out not to be such a terrible one.

[Vermilion]

Who bought Suarez ? He got that right, er..whoever it was that identified him.

[Fredo]

Well, assuming you are right, which I'm not sure about, you don't build a squad from the front if you only have one goalscorer.

He is not starting at either end IMO, he's starting on the passing, which is kind of ****ing everything up IMO.

I meant the passing and the emphasis on controlling the game with possession, attacking football. Not focussing on organisation to the detriment of everything else.

Either way you look at it it's very similar to what Rafa did, bar the different ethos. Just seen Mr. Mike saying that we lost 14 times under Rafa's first year. That's something I'd forgotten actually. How many games did we lose this season? 3? Our form has been consistently good, in terms of performances. During Rafa's first season, we were very much up and down and very erratic as far as I can remember. One day we'd turn up and play good football, the other day we would be **** and would be giving the ball away all game.

We've got to be patient and see the positives. There's no way back for me. Either you move forward or just stick with conservatism and dream of the past.

[Maxiedge]

I wouldn't say we're mediocre but we are a soft side to play against. Need a stronger spine. Obviously, a player like Lucas would've given us 4-6 points more so far this season imo.

It's a proper transitional season this. I mean, if you look up transition in the dictionary it will define the season so far.

I'm still optimistic that we'll improve.

[Lecter]

Borini was a strange signing for £10m and he scored what, 1 goal? That's one of the few criticisms I can aim at Rodgers to be honest.

Our problems defensively are just teething issues with the system IMO. Maybe he should have adapted our play and shored up the defensive side of things but it would have gone against the grain for him. Rodgers is building the squad from the front, not from the back - as far as analogies go with Rafa.

Both had issues as well.

Assaidi seems a strange signing as well considering both Cole and downing seem to be preferred ahead of him more often than not

I understand what Rodgers is trying to do, I just dont agree with how hes doing it

Good managers get the best out of the players they have available to them, even if it means tinkering or changing their system and formation in the short term to achieve their long term goals

[Reece]

Assaidi was a Chang signing

[Lecter]

There's some minor revisionism going on here imo. We lost 14 times in Rafa's first season in the league. 14.

"Little he had to spend"? Alonso was £10.7m, Garcia 6m, and although we lost Owen for peanuts he did get the prearranged transfer of Cisse for £14m. All told I'm pretty sure our net spend that summer, with a squad that had previously finished higher in the league, was at least what Rodgers had to spend in the summer, possibly more. Rafa brought in players he had existing knowledge of in Spain, Rodgers brought in players he had existing knowledge of... unfortunately not as wide as Rafa's but its little harsh right now to judge his 2 major signings; Allen looked very good then has had a dip in form coinciding with him playing a bit out of his natural role, while Borini got injured before we could really make any fair judgements.

Yes those players haven't had the impact we might have hoped, and its questionable whether he could have bought wiser, but in the long term they both can turn out to be very good buys. I think in the long term the comparison between Rafa and Rodgers first seasons, at least in the league, might turn out not to be such a terrible one.

Rafa also won 17 games that first season, which means that Rodgers has to win 14 of the next 22 games to equal that and for the record Rafa had 23 points after 14 games

Rodgers has spent nearly £25-30 million also so its not particularly unreasonable to say hes "had money to spend"

Managers live and die by their signings they always do and they always want more

Rodgers has to get it right next window if he doesnt hes in trouble imo

For the record Rafa spent £31 million nett in his first season (including Cisse) I reckon Rodgers has spent £21-22 million nett (plus whatever the loan fee for Sahin was) so far

[yamiedo]

Borini needs a little time. He is a young lad still and hasn't played premier league football before this season. His movement is very good. I think he can be a decent player for us.

[Lecter]

Borini needs a little time. He is a young lad still and hasn't played premier league football before this season. His movement is very good. I think he can be a decent player for us.

I think his movement is excellent also

But on the ball he struggles badly imo

[baitman]

its goals we need, not movement.
its points we need, not possession and passes.

[Fredo]

its goals we need, not movement.
its points we need, not possession and passes.

Supporters need to be patient. Overall we need to be patient, that's what we need.