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    #61
    Originally posted by Tee View Post
    It is a fair point you make.

    Lucas though had some pedigree, winning Brazilian player of the year. Allen was a bit if an unknown who was signed for a massive fee and after a bright start has been so bad.
    Lucas also had the like of Gerrard in his prime, Xabi and Mascherano to live up to.
    Vive la France

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      #62
      IMO we have to look beyond Rodgers and Allen in this one, the real reason for our downfall was clearly foresterbloke! I mean, start a match thread six hours too early? What was that about? I demand a ban! At least I don't want him to start another match thread. And an apology!
      * The above is posted in my opinion. Feel free to disagree.

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        #63
        Aye, burn him

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          #64
          For a minute I read that as "bum him" which seemed a tad harsh!

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            #65
            *Except Michael, who died.

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              #66


              We're a side being rebuilt, finishing about Everton should be our main priority this season, we got it wrong against Southampton but we were due this kind of result.

              We certainly need to look to purchase some defensive cover to play in the Rodgers mould, positives though are the fact we're scoring lots of goals and it's not just Suarez getting them.

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                #67
                Originally posted by Mattshark View Post
                Henderson has played in an advanced role for us though, it could just be that he isn't suited to a deeper role.
                Do you think Allen is suited to a deeper role?
                Bob Paisley - "This club has been my life. I'd go out and sweep the street and be proud to do it for Liverpool if they asked me to."

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                  #68
                  I don't think our defenisve unit is bad or necessarily needs shipping out. We've been defensively strong for the last few years with largely the same lineup. For me its the virtual non existent (so I've heard) defensive coaching and organisation in training that is to blame.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Tee View Post
                    Yes I know I am being very harsh on him, more so than I ever was with Lucas but he just has the Dossena about him for me and I have written him off. Sorry. Just too much improvement needed in almost every aspect of his game and for the money he is probably on, well it is a huge waste of money all round.
                    but Dossena was immense

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Robbie-9-Fowler View Post
                      Lucas also had the like of Gerrard in his prime, Xabi and Mascherano to live up to.
                      It must be easier to develop playing along side those players than Henderson.
                      Trey Nyoni: countdown to stardom- 2 years 1year 0.5 years

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                        #71
                        Originally posted by Arn View Post
                        Rodgers cost us the game. Starting Allen instead of Lucas was a mega big mistake.

                        The problem is that it isn't exactly the first time he made a big mistake like that. Without Lucas we have no balance at all in midfield.
                        It was mistake as it turned out Lucas was fit enough to play entire 2nd half but it wasn't the reason by itself why we lost the match.

                        Our defence and especially our weak midfield was.

                        Not to change the subject too much but I know many are talking about CB position being priority next summer but I really think we need a significant upgrade in the midfield.

                        We get overrun and bossed in that area all the time.

                        We need a physical DM as I am not sure that Lucas can really ever be the player he once was and CMs with creativity and ability to control the possession and influence the play.
                        Member #1 of the Luis Suarez fan club

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                          #72
                          Mostar.......ledge man.......

                          Common sense and rational thinking are against the forum rules here though....

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