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Hang on. So because he's managed in the Championship that makes him a Championship manager, but when he manages in the Premier League that doesn't make him a Premiership manager? That's some impressive logic.Originally posted by Shackanory View PostBut he IS a Championship level manager. His career has been spent in the Championship, aside from a season with Swansea and one with us. Just because he's a Premier League manager doesn't mean he's at a Premier League level. If you give a droid a lightsaber, does it make it a Jedi? No.
Oh, and anyway there's a rather liberal manipulation of the facts in there considering you're talking about "this career spent in the championship aside from seasons with Swansea and us", seasons which just so happen to make up almost half the games in his managerial career so far. Lack of experience at this level is a valid concern, although myself I do feel that prejudice against young managers can be a bit overdone, but this Championship thing is nonsense and pretty disrespectful actually.
I almost can't believe the level of snobbery a small number LFC fans have demonstrated this season about Rodgers. By all means criticise his signings, his team selections or his tactics, those arguments might make sense, but simply to have taken the attitude from the very start that he is not capable of achieving success with us because of his background only managing smaller clubs is absurd. And flies completely contrary to the evidence that he has achieved similar or slightly better league results / performances than our previous 2 managers who had massive amounts of experience.
Oh, and 7th in this league is not "pathetic". By all means we certainly want to be higher, but when you consider the start we had this season, the transfer **** up in the summer (which was not the manager's fault) that left us with only one striker and a bunch of 18yr olds playing regularly for half a season etc, our current position really is not that bad. We have no divine right or entitlement to be higher and with the exception of Everton, every club above us has been there for a number of years now. Dislodging them, after changing manager 4 times in as many season and having had years of disasterous transfer policies (under H&G and then Comolli & Dalglish's crazy signings) was always going to be a huge stretch this year.
If we are not much more competitive with that top group at this time next season then there really will be valid questions to be asked, but without some consistency and stability at this club we could easily find ourselves in a much worse position, not a better one. If we can't give Rodgers a real crack at getting this right then we really would be turning into Chelsea, only swapping money for history
Sure, we should want to be beating sides like Reading every time, and when we don't balanced and fair criticism is to be expected. Personally though I just find some of the other stuff neither balanced nor fair, and indeed a bit embarassing in its complete lack of realism and patience.Last edited by MrMichael; 14-04-13, 04:37 AM.I could not dig, I dared not rob:
Therefore I lied to please the mob.
Now all my lies are proved untrue
And I must face the men I slew.
What tale shall serve me here among
Mine angry and defrauded young?
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Originally posted by MrMichael View PostHang on. So because he's managed in the Championship that makes him a Championship manager, but when he manages in the Premier League that doesn't make him a Premiership manager? That's some impressive logic.
Oh, and anyway there's a rather liberal manipulation of the facts in there considering you're talking about "this career spent in the championship aside from seasons with Swansea and us", seasons which just so happen to make up almost half the games in his managerial career so far. Lack of experience at this level is a valid concern, although myself I do feel that prejudice against young managers can be a bit overdone, but this Championship thing is nonsense and pretty disrespectful actually.
I almost can't believe the level of snobbery a small number LFC fans have demonstrated this season about Rodgers. By all means criticise his signings, his team selections or his tactics, those arguments might make sense, but simply to have taken the attitude from the very start that he is not capable of achieving success with us because of his background only managing smaller clubs is absurd. And flies completely contrary to the evidence that he has achieved similar or slightly better league results / performances than our previous 2 managers who had massive amounts of experience.
Oh, and 7th in this league is not "pathetic". By all means we certainly want to be higher, but when you consider the start we had this season, the transfer **** up in the summer (which was not the manager's fault) that left us with only one striker and a bunch of 18yr olds playing regularly for half a season etc, our current position really is not that bad. We have no divine right or entitlement to be higher and with the exception of Everton, every club above us has been there for a number of years now. Dislodging them, after changing manager 4 times in as many season and having had years of disasterous transfer policies (under H&G and then Comolli & Dalglish's crazy signings) was always going to be a huge stretch this year.
If we are not much more competitive with that top group at this time next season then there really will be valid questions to be asked, but without some consistency and stability at this club we could easily find ourselves in a much worse position, not a better one. If we can't give Rodgers a real crack at getting this right then we really would be turning into Chelsea, only swapping money for history
Sure, we should want to be beating sides like Reading every time, and when we don't balanced and fair criticism is to be expected. Personally though I just find some of the other stuff neither balanced nor fair, and indeed a bit embarassing in its complete lack of realism and patience.
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The transfer **** up last summer wasn't only our owners fault. The manager could have done much more to get the final say.
He could have demanded that either they let him build the squad the way he want or he walk and that time he should have used the media much more than he did.
He came out of that mess looking like a yes saying manager that is prepared to do what the owners tell him to do whatever it is.
We need a much stronger manager than that and I hope Rodgers have learned the lesson he clearly needed to learn.Stop the cyberhate

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1. when you tell your bosses to either accept your demands or you're off then they will never have a choice but to accept your resignation.Originally posted by Arn View PostThe transfer **** up last summer wasn't only our owners fault. The manager could have done much more to get the final say.
He could have demanded that either they let him build the squad the way he want or he walk and that time he should have used the media much more than he did.
He came out of that mess looking like a yes saying manager that is prepared to do what the owners tell him to do whatever it is.
We need a much stronger manager than that and I hope Rodgers have learned the lesson he clearly needed to learn.
2. you don't just walk away if the slightest problem occurs. you'll find yourself pretty isolated real soon in any profession and private life situation if you opt to do that.
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Why does it have to be so extreme?Originally posted by Arn View PostThe transfer **** up last summer wasn't only our owners fault. The manager could have done much more to get the final say.
He could have demanded that either they let him build the squad the way he want or he walk and that time he should have used the media much more than he did.
He came out of that mess looking like a yes saying manager that is prepared to do what the owners tell him to do whatever it is.
We need a much stronger manager than that and I hope Rodgers have learned the lesson he clearly needed to learn.
Our manager who talks too much to the media should have talked *more* to the media, saying that he's not impressed with the owners eight weeks into his tenure? I'll remember to dangle my resignation letter under the nose of my boss when he doesn't increase my budget.
Rodgers turned down our advances when he was on a shortlist (Ha! My iPhone autocorrect brought up '****house' ... but I digress), therefore he appears to be quite strong-minded and quite clearly has the ability to say 'no', ergo he's not a 'yes man'.
Rodgers expressed his disappointment with the situation, Henry admitted that communication channels needed amending and therefore we were aware of a problem and addressed it. We did all that by not hanging our dirty laundry in public, by not throwing our toys out of the pram and in January, we showed we had learnt from it.Last edited by Muddled; 14-04-13, 07:43 AM.
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I think some people are going a little over the top, IMO it was just one of those games, it's made all the more frustrating because we also had one of those games last week, but on another day we could have had all those chances and won by 5 or 6.
Yes there are some issues with the side, but we're a team in transition. For me now our season is over, I think we should use the remaining games to test some things out, we need to sort our defence out, so I'd be tempted to try different partnerships back there, I'd also give some of the youngsters a run out Sterling, Suso, Shelvey, Wisdom etc maybe not all at the same time but at least get them involved in the team again.The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.
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yet we had the same issues with Dalglish in charge...we had so many games were we 1. hit the crossbar/post 9million times and 2. controlled the game totally .the same issues seem to be with this team.....we really need to see how next season pans out .......imo BR needs at least 2 full seasonsOriginally posted by Exiled_red View PostI think some people are going a little over the top, IMO it was just one of those games, it's made all the more frustrating because we also had one of those games last week, but on another day we could have had all those chances and won by 5 or 6.
Yes there are some issues with the side, but we're a team in transition. For me now our season is over, I think we should use the remaining games to test some things out, we need to sort our defence out, so I'd be tempted to try different partnerships back there, I'd also give some of the youngsters a run out Sterling, Suso, Shelvey, Wisdom etc maybe not all at the same time but at least get them involved in the team again.
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As I've said in a number of threads I think we need to be able to change it around a little attack in different ways etc, while the stuff we have been playing is good to watch it isn't always effective (as we have found in the last few weeks), I'd like to see us adapt our game, try different things and be a bit more unpredictable. IMO we need more options, people who can come on and offer something different. I'm not sure if Rodgers is sticking to the current system because that's what he wants or because we don't have any other options. Most other clubs would have had other strikers available on the bench to come on and provide a different threat in such games, we don't have that.Originally posted by Bender View Postyet we had the same issues with Dalglish in charge...we had so many games were we 1. hit the crossbar/post 9million times and 2. controlled the game totally .the same issues seem to be with this team.....we really need to see how next season pans out .......imo BR needs at least 2 full seasonsThe only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.
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Originally posted by Muddled View PostWhy does it have to be so extreme?
Our manager who talks too much to the media should have talked *more* to the media, saying that he's not impressed with the owners eight weeks into his tenure? I'll remember to dangle my resignation letter under the nose of my boss when he doesn't increase my budget.
Rodgers turned down our advances when he was on a shortlist (Ha! My iPhone autocorrect brought up '****house' ... but I digress), therefore he appears to be quite strong-minded and quite clearly has the ability to say 'no', ergo he's not a 'yes man'.
Rodgers expressed his disappointment with the situation, Henry admitted that communication channels needed amending and therefore we were aware of a problem and addressed it. We did all that by not hanging our dirty laundry in public, by not throwing our toys out of the pram and in January, we showed we had learnt from it.
Spot on.
Arn, you are absolutely bonkersOriginally posted by Arn View PostThe transfer **** up last summer wasn't only our owners fault. The manager could have done much more to get the final say.
He could have demanded that either they let him build the squad the way he want or he walk and that time he should have used the media much more than he did.
He came out of that mess looking like a yes saying manager that is prepared to do what the owners tell him to do whatever it is.
We need a much stronger manager than that and I hope Rodgers have learned the lesson he clearly needed to learn.
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