Simon Mignolet

[danperkins]

I believe goalkeepers have started to use their right hand more to allow for the movement of the ball. If you lead with your lower hand, you're pretty much set in your direction and you're stretching. If you lead with your higher hand, you're range is higher (as illustrated in the pictures) and it allows for you to make adjustments to your arm. Which is quicker though? Jeez, I dunno. I think there could be an argument for either and would be dependent on the shot itself. They'd have to make that decision in a split second too!

We all want what's best for the club and often defeats (or in this case, it felt like a defeat) make supporters want to identify fault and blame to make themselves feel better about how we can improve and get over that negative feeling. It's often why post match threads after a victory hardly hit double figures.

Yeah it does seem more prevalent in recent years for goal keepers to use that technique. I'm not a fan of Mignolet, but it is hard to blame him for that goal. Jagielka will probably never hit one like that again in his career.

Yup we like a vent when we lose, perfectly natural i suppose. Personally i thought we dominated the game, should have won but were a wee bit toothless up top. To be honest i have zero problems with anyone whinging after a loss, sometimes it's justified..sometimes it's not. Just the same as sometimes you get the overly positive reaction when it should be a bit more realistic.

As you said we all want what is best for the club & everyone has their own opinion on what that is.. the same as everyone has different reactions when we lose. It's all good and sure wouldn't would be boring as **** on here if we all agreed with each other

[ntto]

****ing 'Jags' ... that's all I've heard from Sheffield United fans this week who still believe Warnock and the reason why they were relegated.

But I digress. It was clear Jagielka was striking that ball as soon as it leaves the penalty area. As Kenneth has touched on earlier in this thread, I think it's pretty safe to assume that he's going to hit it hard and low and Mignolet has played the percentages. He's seen the shot coming, he's set himself but such is the speed and unfortunate accuracy of the shot, it's past him before he can react generate the spring from his knees.

I didn't want the hassle of misspelling Jagielka haha

The point is the same if the shot was low and hard - his first motion towards the flight of the ball should be with his feet - but its not. He's flat footed

[Muddled]

Yeah it does seem more prevalent in recent years for goal keepers to use that technique. I'm not a fan of Mignolet, but it is hard to blame him for that goal. Jagielka will probably never hit one like that again in his career.

Yup we like a vent when we lose, perfectly natural i suppose. Personally i thought we dominated the game, should have won but were a wee bit toothless up top. To be honest i have zero problems with anyone whinging after a loss, sometimes it's justified..sometimes it's not. Just the same as sometimes you get the overly positive reaction when it should be a bit more realistic.

As you said we all want what is best for the club & everyone has their own opinion on what that is.. the same as everyone has different reactions when we lose. It's all good and sure wouldn't would be boring as **** on here if we all agreed with each other

You're not far wrong, Dan.

I didn't want the hassle of misspelling Jagielka haha

I know fella, it wasn't aimed at you but more the whoppers I have to work with.

The point is the same if the shot was low and hard - his first motion towards the flight of the ball should be with his feet - but its not. He's flat footed

I suppose it's down to personal interpretation; I think his feet are planted, his core balanced and he's poised to make a split second decision. Each to their own.

[ntto]

You're not far wrong, Dan.



I know fella, it wasn't aimed at you but more the whoppers I have to work with.



I suppose it's down to personal interpretation; I think his feet are planted, his core balanced and he's poised to make a split second decision. Each to their own.

[Tee]

Because Jagielka hadn't scored for nearly two years and was more successful as an emergency goalkeeper than a scorer of technical goals. It's the last minute of the Derby, he's charging towards the ball and Mignolet can see him shooting. Jagielka would be thinking to get his head over the ball and hit it true and just to get it on target. I'd just assume that Mignolet is expecting this to fly in to the stands or for him make a save low down. The last thing he's probably thought is that he will be reaching for the top corner.

At the end of the day, Neville has chosen to compare two images of a 'keeper upright and a 'keeper low down. Neither are 'correct' as a goalkeeper's stance is down to their own ability. Neur is athletic and nimble; His starting position is to stand tall and bounce on his toes, trusting in his ability and his reflexes to go up, down, left or right. Mignolet may not feel as agile and needs to generate spring and height from bent knees. As such, Neville's opinion is just that, an opinion (and perhaps not an expert opinion) and he has backed it up by showing Neur, the World's best 'keeper at his very peak against Mignolet who is sat behind a malfunctioning defence and looks low on confidence.

I hear you, but a defender having a pop from distance...the ball is always going to be going on an upward trajectory. 99 times out of 100 it would have ballooned over the bar. Anyway, lets just agree to disagree on this one, I know I am right.

[Muddled]

I hear you, but a defender having a pop from distance...the ball is always going to be going on an upward trajectory. 99 times out of 100 it would have ballooned over the bar. Anyway, lets just agree to disagree on this one, I know I am right.

I agree to disagreements.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Well if not saving a shot like Jagielka's is seen as being more Mignolet's fault than a one in a hundred type goal, then I hope the same high standards get applied to Gerrard, Balotelli, Henderson, Skrtel and the rest when they put in a sub par performance or when they don't score or make a key tackle during a game.

[dom9]

Well if not saving a shot like Jagielka's is seen as being more Mignolet's fault than a one in a hundred type goal, then I hope the same high standards get applied to Gerrard, Balotelli, Henderson, Skrtel and the rest when they put in a sub par performance or when they don't score or make a key tackle during a game.

Are you new to this forum?

That's exactly what happens.

[Tee]

This whole Mignolet debate should not be only about the points Neville raised, it should be about Mignolet being good enough to make the difference for us going forward. He has not been ****e, far from it, but he has not been nowhere near dominant enough to be seen as the solution for us. He is just too timid and hesitant for my liking.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Are you new to this forum?

That's exactly what happens.

Not to the degree of nitpicking that is going on with Mignolet over the Jagielka shot.

Fair enough if he had dropped a bit of a clanger and that resulted in the goal, but it was a bloody good shot that would have beaten most keepers.


May as well tear shreds off of Gerrard for only scoring one goal for all the sense it makes.
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[dom9]

Not to the degree of nitpicking that is going on with Mignolet over the Jagielka shot.

Fair enough if he had dropped a bit of a clanger and that resulted in the goal, but it was a bloody good shot that would have beaten most keepers.


May as well tear shreds off of Gerrard for only scoring one goal for all the sense it makes.
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That is true. Even by ests standards the level of nitpicking is something to behold in this thread.

[JohnDoe]

There is no need to nitpick with Mignolet. He's not at fault for the goal, but he's not good enough and never will be for a team with our aspirations. Too many glaring holes in his game that are not going to get better at this point of his career.

[Kenneth]

Is he ****ing ****?

[Red_Polo]

That might look feasible in slow motion, but if he steps left and then dives the ball would have been long gone.

Completely agree, it was a ****ing rocket ffs.

Some of the analysis of the keeping on that goal stinks of people seeking to back up something they already think.

Does Neville really think Mignolet saves that if more upright to start, or is it just something he noticed before and had made a mental note to come back to whenever it might prove topical?

[RichC]

The shot from Jagielka was pretty much unstoppable and in no way should Mignolet be at fault for it however his confidence at the moment seems pretty much shot and he has no real command of his area.

I think he's a very good shot stopper but he needs to find some confidence and perhaps a little more aggression as otherwise he'll be bombed out

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