Simon Mignolet

[Assassin]

yeah probably.....I'm completely ****ed off with how **** we are, and every time I see this fella slice another kick it reminds me of all of my piss poor golf shots....



That's why I want him dropped...

[Kenneth]

You should join me in using Markovic as the focus of ire and derision. The lack of evidence makes it more of a challenge and it annoys people more. Ideal.

[Darkon]

Just to put in to perspective about Mignolet being **** at all other areas of the game, and specifically with distribution now it's talked about. He actually got the best distribution percentage in the PL (of GK playing more than 5 games) and the 10th best in Europe right now...

He is not as poor as made out to be and just feel like defending him a bit considering all the focus he gets. He is rated 5th in the PL on squawka in total performance score, so clearly not all that ****. He doesn't set the world a light, but neither makes it fall in to darkness.

[PTP]

You should join me in using Markovic as the focus of ire and derision. The lack of evidence makes it more of a challenge and it annoys people more. Ideal.

Ha sorry but I've slowly been earmarking Emre can for that ...had a couple of posts slipped by where I've mentioned he's not very good. Just waiting for him to get a run in the team and then I can dig those posts out and tell everyone I saw it coming

[PTP]

Just to put in to perspective about Mignolet being **** at all other areas of the game, and specifically with distribution now it's talked about. He actually got the best distribution percentage in the PL (of GK playing more than 5 games) and the 10th best in Europe right now...

He is not as poor as made out to be and just feel like defending him a bit considering all the focus he gets. He is rated 5th in the PL on squawka in total performance score, so clearly not all that ****. He doesn't set the world a light, but neither makes it fall in to darkness.

As per my post in the Rodgers thread

Interesting.

I would be keen to see what his percentages are for balls lofted up the pitch. Thats where I think he lacks badly. IMO

Or more interesting....what actually happens after these so called completed passes .....yes he might actually find skrtel, thus completing his pass...but skrtel is stretching for it with three men up his arse and is forced to pass to lovren, who is also under pressure so he sticks it out for a throw


But no worries, mignolet completed his pass

[Kenneth]

Ha sorry but I've slowly been earmarking Emre can for that ...had a couple of posts slipped by where I've mentioned he's not very good. Just waiting for him to get a run in the team and then I can dig those posts out and tell everyone I saw it coming

Re Mignolet's distribution, he's obviously being told to look to play it short to a defender as a priority. It's a Rodgers hangover from when we used to pass the ball to each other. You'd hope he would be allowed to use his discretion but I don't think anyone in his position would voluntarily look for Glen Johnson or Lovren to play the ball out of defence.

[Darkon]

As per my post in the Rodgers thread



Or more interesting....what actually happens after these so called completed passes .....yes he might actually find skrtel, thus completing his pass...but skrtel is stretching for it with three men up his arse and is forced to pass to lovren, who is also under pressure so he sticks it out for a throw


But no worries, mignolet completed his pass

That's still ignoring he also have the best percentage from the feet and goalkicks. I still think the main problem is he is told to distribute it short, rather than him being **** for doing so. I think it's fundamentally attacking the wrong variable here. IMO you are putting attention in the wrong place.

That we have people in front of Mignolet that are not good at making use of the ball is another matter. Skrtel's never been particularly effective. God knows what Johnson is doing at the moment, and we are particularly weak in getting midfielders to come back and help out the defenders when on the ball atm.

Fact of matter is that Mignolet is not **** at distributing the ball, but we have quite a few faults elsewhere in the approach.

[Jaymo]

Just to put in to perspective about Mignolet being **** at all other areas of the game, and specifically with distribution now it's talked about. He actually got the best distribution percentage in the PL (of GK playing more than 5 games) and the 10th best in Europe right now...

He is not as poor as made out to be and just feel like defending him a bit considering all the focus he gets. He is rated 5th in the PL on squawka in total performance score, so clearly not all that ****. He doesn't set the world a light, but neither makes it fall in to darkness.

I'd say thats a false stat though, because he usualy distributes the ball 10 yards to a fullback or whoever is playing in central defensive midfield.

For example, if you were to only ever play 5 yard passes to a team mate in space, 99.9% of the time you would complete that pass.. meaning that you would almost certainly the best distributor of the ball in world football.

[Kenneth]

Yeah, but it's not as if all other keepers constantly hoof the ball randomly up field whenever they touch it.

[cream]

He did his job last night, certainly wasn't his fault we conceeded or didn't win the game. Made some important saves for sure.

Mignolet certainly played his part...in getting us knocked out of the group stages. Atrocious keeper.

[Jaymo]

Yeah, but it's not as if all other keepers constantly hoof the ball randomly up field whenever they touch it.

But when they do, they usually find a team mate. What I'm saying is yeah hes not bad at distributing a ball 10 yards, but he's fairly poor when it comes to playing a long ball.

You could argue that playing long ball isn't our philosophy, but we seem to have played some very direct balls to lambert of late

[Slinky Skills]

He brings **** on himself though that's what ****ing gets me.

Towards the end when we were looking for a goal, he rolled it out to Johnson, who clearly didn't want it.

The roll was short, forcing Johnson to pass it back to him, then mignolet took one touch and put it straight out for a throw in

It's ****ing wank and shouldn't happen. One off fair enough, it's a rush of blood or just a mistake....but he does things like this 4 or 5 times a game.

I'm completely turned on mignolet. I defended him and liked from the start, could justify his signing, recognised his excellent shop stopping, and felt that we could work on his commanding of the box, coming of his line and kicking......


What's happened is those three things get worse and worse each week. He's clearly shot to pieces and it's effecting the whole team

[danperkins]

I'd say he's ****ing no use in a fight either.....timid as ****. Hate that quality in a Liverpool player.
Doesn't have to be a dickhead to Krul-levels, but you know he's never in charge of what's going on in penalty area (or his 6 yard box for that matter). Our defenders know it, the opposition knows it - I mean, there's times when the opposition set-pieces would be fired in to avoid the keeper's locale. Against us, teams actively look to out it in right on top of Mig.
They know he's a soft touch.

Like I said though, cannot blame him for last night.

[Darkon]

But when they do, they usually find a team mate. What I'm saying is yeah hes not bad at distributing a ball 10 yards, but he's fairly poor when it comes to playing a long ball.

You could argue that playing long ball isn't our philosophy, but we seem to have played some very direct balls to lambert of late

I'm not arguing he is brilliant at it, but I think he get's way more stick than is due from a lot of fans.

I mean the table is enterily false as you suggest, it's hardly like Arsenal, Swansea or Everton are playing any different from the back and he still outranks them. His goalkicks are still the most precise in the PL, so that kinda suggests he is not all poor in that area - or the PL is truly horrific at it.

The other stat is with the ball at his feet, and he has the highest rating there as well. Only thing letting him down is his throwing forward - but still not poor enough to drag it down.

I still suggest that it's false focusing on him in this regard. His arial abilities and commanding a defence I'm not keen on at all, but in other areas he is not all bad.

Or at least someone should disprove it by comparing it to the similarly playing teams from the back, and he is better than them all! Even 10th in Europe's top-5 leagues and there are loads of teams only playing it out short...

[Norbs]

I'm not buying any of this statistical crap as I can see with my own eyes just how laboured and appalling his distribution is. He is so uncomfortable with the ball that it makes me cringe. Everything is panicked and is a disaster waiting to happen, again and again.

Stick Jones in goal until we find a replacement. For all the derision he receives, he's not let us down half as much as Simon