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[dom9]

You could argue that, but that's not what makes a league competitive in my view. We have more teams going for the title (compared to last year's one), more teams legitimately contesting 4th, etc. That's what makes the league competitive.

Because apart from us and Everton, the rest have not got better. They have stagnated or regressed. City have improved marginally.

Right, I'm late for football.

I'll be back.

[captainfog]

Some terrible points. The ref stuff - wtf?!

Yep it's become blurred - competitive/better. The top of the league is clearly more competitive as I have demonstrated - more teams competing for 1st, more teams competing for a place in the top 4, all teams concerned bar Man Utd and arguably Spurs are performing better and picking up more points than last season - City included, as per the original point.

If the league is more competitive than it was then in my view that makes it better than it was.

I also think claiming it's a weaker and more uncompetitive league does a bit of a disservice to us and our progress.

As for City, they're a better side under Pellegrini than last season but regardless I still think we'll beat them.

More competitive means more exciting, it doesn't mean anything in relation to the standard of football. The championship is often more competitive than the PL, does that make it a better league? Similarly, the number of points is irrelevant. If Celtic get more points in their league does that make it a better league? Or is it because Rangers are no longer in the division and the overall quality has fallen?

I think it's fairer to say the league has bunched and is more competative. The middle teams have got a bit better, the traditional top teams like Arsenal, Chelsea, Man U (and before this season, us) are to varying degrees not as good as they once were. And in the bottom half of the league it has bunched again with everyone just being a bit more ****.

Personally I think City are better than they were last season. But again, picking on individual teams doesn't really prove or disprove anything if you are examining the overall picture. Nor does comparing two seasons, that's like saying climate change isn't happening because this year was colder than last year.

Our achievement and improvement this season is staggering and unprecedented. Arguments about the quality of the league don't have any bearing on that.

[Shaggy]

Because apart from us and Everton, the rest have not got better. They have stagnated or regressed. City have improved marginally.

Right, I'm late for football.

I'll be back.

Dead end then. City, Liverpool, Everton, and Chelsea have all clearly improved, Arsenal debatable, Spurs stayed the same, United clearly regressed.

[Roboklopp]

As if. How are you measuring it then? Cos I've already shown how the English teams - i.e. our competitors domestically - are performing better in this year's CL than they did last year. I don't see anything that points towards our rivals being weaker this year than last, nor any justification for the claim.

I never said I didn't agree with your point about the CL, just your logic on the PL points train of argument. I've shown where I stand I terms of assessment of the top teams - and Scum () above too. Broadly agreeing with you though, doesn't mean I have to endorse your flawed logic.

More competitive might mean "better" in terms of a viewing spectacle, but it doesn't mean the ceiling of the quality is higher, just that the quality at the top is more evenly distributed.

[Shaggy]

Maybe a mod could move all this to a new thread or summat

[Shaggy]

I never said I didn't agree with your point about the CL, just your logic on the PL points train of argument. I've shown where I stand I terms of assessment of the top teams - and Scum () above too. Broadly agreeing with you though, doesn't mean I have to endorse your flawed logic.

Well I still don't think it's flawed but even if it is, it's more than the other side of the argument which is "well it just is"

Heard absolutely nothing to back up why it is weaker other than "it just is".

[Roboklopp]

Well that's fair enough. Anyways, you've bored me into submission now - you're like the Chelsea of debaters.

[captainfog]

Well that's fair enough. Anyways, you've bored me into submission now - you're like the Chelsea of debaters.

But as this argument has shown, like Chelsea he is also bit less consistent than he used to be.

[Boogs]

Wrong thread .......

[G]

Wrong thread .......

Did you comment on Liverpool v Man city?

[Boogs]

[Saveloy]

Did you comment on Liverpool v Man city?

[Cormack74]

Completely accurate - all info gleaned from here:

http://www.statto.com/football/stats...012-2013/table

I didn't think it was one of your edits, just seems astonishing how well we've done when pretty much all the other top teams have improved this year.

[baitman]

Did you comment on Liverpool v Man city?

[baitman]

This thread Why does it matter if the Prem is stronger or weaker? And what's it got to do with Liverpool v City? I've probably completely missed the point

Maybe a mod could move all this to a new thread or summat

title race thread would be good