LFC v villa post match. scapegoat thread

[Myo]

First of all let's just say that the criticism of Mario is a bit tad harsh on here...we all knew what sort of player we were getting, but imo, he did well when he had the ball and actually provided a wide range of creativity and getting into space - yes he doesn't run as much as sturridge, but you could see that once we got the ball into the final third and found him, he actually did try to create a few of those key attacking moments... harsh and also overall the top considering he was probably short of fitness and just had a major bug a day or so ago...

Now in terms of Manquillo, i thought he played well and imo offered the width and what you didn't see on TV you saw him creating that space on the right side of the park, especially long periods in the second half and yet most of the balls were being played on the left and we just kept on passing it around and being nullified in that respect, Moreno is ace attacking and probably better as a wingback, but Manquillo did quite well and solidly better than Moreno in the defensive part of the game

Gerrard.... honestly if we are going to play one at the back, it's lucas for me, time and time again, against these goddamm parkers, we need to push Stevie up fwd as he doesn't have the mentality to play in the DM role unless we are playing against another like minded offensive team, honestly think he is due in for a rest and give lucas a run of games...

Lallana shouldn't have started....period...Sterls should have and i know the gaffer had one eye on the champs league (being his first), but dog-dammit, it's Ludogorets from the Bulgarian league who just got in by a whisker through sheer heroics... our 2nd team should walk over em...

[Fredo]

I think our defending is OK generally and I don't understand why we'd need a defensive coach. It's individual mistakes which is the issue. First Sakho conceded a corner when he hesitated, then Lovren got on the wrong side of Senderos and the rest stood there not reacting. For the most part, we coped very well with Villa and they had **** all threat in an attacking perspective, apart from one or two occasions on corners.

We changed the system yesterday and it didn't help. Not sure why Rodgers changed to two sitting midfielders, but Coutinho was playing too deep and because of that he couldn't really affect the last third of the pitch. Markovic and Lallana had their first games, so it all helped create a disjointed performance. We'll get better.

[G]

It's a split second between Lovren getting wrong side and the ball hitting the net. Not sure what the other defenders are supposed to do without having reactions faster than light. They all have their own men to watch they can't be watching Lovrens too. I give up on the mentioning of Sakho. The goal was **** all to do with him

[BobTheCharmer]

i blame them new floodlights

Are they new? I thought something looked different on the tele.

[Fredo]

It's a split second between Lovren getting wrong side and the ball hitting the net. Not sure what the other defenders are supposed to do without having reactions faster than light. They all have their own men to watch they can't be watching Lovrens too. I give up on the mentioning of Sakho. The goal was **** all to do with him:wall:

He should have prevented the corner in the first place but on the whole he did well yesterday.

[G]

90% of goals conceded by teams can be put down to an individual errors somewhere on the team. Fact is there are teams that are well drilled by their coach who don't concede anywhere near as many as other teams do. We conceded 50 league goals last season and have carried on conceding soft ones this season. Mistakes play a part obviously but coaching has to be a part too. We give up too many chances and that's down to set up and organisation as much as it is players making bad choices and luck.

It's a new defence and it needs time together to see if it can gel. If it doesn't do we carry on buying players or do we look at the coaching?

[G]

He should have prevented the corner in the first place but on the whole he did well yesterday.

This keeps getting said so I watched it again. He had one chance before it bounced where he may have swung a leg at it but he was off balance, Agbonlahor was on top of him already and he could well have sliced it wide for a corner anyway. He has no part to play. Defenders clear balls for corners, throws etc, its part of the game. The defending at the corner is the problem. Also watching the corner and Henderson is the one shouting and organising. Lovren is as quiet as a mouse.

[G]

Watching again they really didn't trouble us apart from Lovren losing Senderos at 2 corners and Henderson losing him at 2 free's, one of which he recovered from. Against Spurs we had some hairy moments too but got away with them. Keeping that back 4 and time will hopefully heal our ills.

[Exiled_red]

Essentially we have a completely new back four, ok Sakho was here last season and even then he was hardly a regular. The group of them are going to have to get used to playing together and that will take time, you can understand mistakes such as not knowing when to step up and play offside etc. The problem for me is that most of the mistakes we have been making have been individual errors, someone making a slip up, taking too long on the ball, not picking up their man at set pieces etc. For me these mistakes are more frustrating because at least with the systematic mistakes you can believe that they will be cut out when the players are more familiar with one another.

While Sakho isn't directly to blame for the goal yesterday and some see mentioning his role as harsh it illustrates the point about mistakes, it was his error that led to the corner and Lovren's mistake that led to the goal, if either one hadn't made the mistake Villa wouldn't have scored that goal. That said once the corner is conceded the players need to forget about how it was conceded and focus on dealing with it.

For me the bottom line is we make too many mistakes and if you make these types of mistakes the chances are you will be punished, and that was the case yesterday.

[danperkins]

Essentially we have a completely new back four, ok Sakho was here last season and even then he was hardly a regular. The group of them are going to have to get used to playing together and that will take time, you can understand mistakes such as not knowing when to step up and play offside etc. The problem for me is that most of the mistakes we have been making have been individual errors, someone making a slip up, taking too long on the ball, not picking up their man at set pieces etc. For me these mistakes are more frustrating because at least with the systematic mistakes you can believe that they will be cut out when the players are more familiar with one another.

While Sakho isn't directly to blame for the goal yesterday and some see mentioning his role as harsh it illustrates the point about mistakes, it was his error that led to the corner and Lovren's mistake that led to the goal, if either one hadn't made the mistake Villa wouldn't have scored that goal. That said once the corner is conceded the players need to forget about how it was conceded and focus on dealing with it.

For me the bottom line is we make too many mistakes and if you make these types of mistakes the chances are you will be punished, and that was the case yesterday.

[G]

it bounced off agbonlahor onto sakho and he recovered to clear it. No mistake.

[Fredo]

Watching again they really didn't trouble us apart from Lovren losing Senderos at 2 corners and Henderson losing him at 2 free's, one of which he recovered from. Against Spurs we had some hairy moments too but got away with them. Keeping that back 4 and time will hopefully heal our ills.

They did **** all, absolutely **** all in an attacking sense bar creating havoc on corners out of our own making. Our inadequacies were mainly the errors you mentioned and our slow and ponderous offensive play. We had the ball most of the time as from the 30th minute but couldn't create much with it. All of that I think is due to the international break and having to rejig our team a bit. We'll get better when those new players are accustomed to the system and we learn how to deal with international breaks and all the disruption it causes. We had 6 new players in that team yesterday and it's bound to have contributed to that performance.

[dom9]

At 10.45 am this morning, Speckled Jim was successfully released back into the wild.

Right, back to complaining about football. Where were we?

[Chazza]

it bounced off agbonlahor onto sakho and he recovered to clear it. No mistake.

Yep.

The ball bounces about and corners happen from people clearing and miskicking all the time.

Just defend the set piece properly and there is no issue.

[danperkins]

Or just get the out initially so you don't have to defend the set piece.