Thing vs thingy postmatch

[Venton]

If something isn't working then continuing down the same path is just stupid. I'd review at the end of the season and make a call on it then.

Plans that deliver long-term results need decent milestones. Sensible review dates to ensure they are on track are important. Now isn't the time to cancel the plan.

[captainfog]

Falcao - no chance.
di Maria - no chance.
Eto'o - just why?

We aren't going to sign them. We have to face that. That's the world class signing bit out of the way.

I agree about buying players who fit the system - but who are they? Again, turning it around, who does fit our system that we've bought? And extrapolate the result - does anyone fit our system right at this moment? Maybe we need to work on the system?

Those players would have come if we had offered the right money. Etoo is scoring goals.

Just dismissing world class.players as not achievable is small time and until we show some ambition in the transfer market we aren't going to win the league.

System was working fine last season.

[scully]

Wow. How long has he had? We came second last year against all the odds.

I am not saying sack him, I love the style of play he instils when he has the players that get it, I am just extremely annoyed about his haphazard dealings in the transfer market and his persistence with players that do not get his style. I absolutely do not want the man sacked and agree he deserves at least another 2 years, I just wish he would wake up and change things - draft in a defensive coach, drop Balotelli or pair him with another striker, whatever gets things back on track.

[frank the tank]

He's been injured you monstrous ****ing tool.

Not today he wasnt you ****ing retard. Wasnt even brought on when we were chasing the game...

We spent 25m on a squad player......we arent good enough to spend that much on a squaddie....

[Venton]

Those players would have come if we had offered the right money. Etoo is scoring goals.

Just dismissing world class.players as not achievable is small time and until we show some ambition in the transfer market we aren't going to win the league.

We'll have to disagree on that first sentence.

On the second we can't compete at the moment because we don't have the money or the kudos. And that's the way it is, bababah...

[Venton]

I am not saying sack him, I love the style of play he instils when he has the players that get it, I am just extremely annoyed about his haphazard dealings in the transfer market and his persistence with players that do not get his style. I absolutely do not want the man sacked and agree he deserves at least another 2 years, I just wish he would wake up and change things - draft in a defensive coach, drop Balotelli or pair him with another striker, whatever gets things back on track.

I agree with you on that. I just think that his style is quite rigid. When it works it's great but it takes a bit of drilling, hence the bad performances. I don't think all these players we have bought are that bad, that's all.

[SB]

Couldn't keep my eyes open so went to bed at HT. What I saw was enough to send anyone to sleep.

The team selection was enough to send meto sleep. Not at all impressed with Brendan at present. When the fans sang his name last night night I was hoping they'd add '2 up front please'. Loosing the love of football at present.

[Zapater]

Falcao - no chance.
di Maria - no chance.
Eto'o - just why?

We aren't going to sign them. We have to face that. That's the world class signing bit out of the way.

I agree about buying players who fit the system - but who are they? Again, turning it around, who does fit our system that we've bought? And extrapolate the result - does anyone fit our system right at this moment? Maybe we need to work on the system?

Why? I feel our backroom team have a lack of ambition. We should be able to sign big players, Liverpool is a still a big club. Teams with lesser/similar reputations and standing have signed bigger players. In the last few years:

Napoli - Higuain, Albiol
Valencia - Otamendi, Negredo, Rodrigo
Milan - Diego Lopez
Fiorentina - Mario Gomez (not a fan but he was a starter for the German NT and still getting some minutes at Bayern without being a starter)
Sunderland - Giaccherini
QPR - Sandro, Isla and Vargas (all full internationals)
Spurs: Lamela
Wolfsburg: Luis Gustavo and de Bruyne


That's just off the top of my head, there's been plenty of others, but it seems there's an assumption of established or players that are 'almost' there would have no intention of coming to us, if those teams can pick up players like that we should be able to attract the players we need too. Look at Man Utd without CL getting Falcao and Di Maria. If we were one season without CL there'd be the assumption we'd have no chance with those players.

It proves that players will play for lesser teams to earn more money, play in European competition, play in a better league or for a big name club despite poor standing.

[Roboklopp]

Not today he wasnt you ****ing retard. Wasnt even brought on when we were chasing the game...

We spent 25m on a squad player......we arent good enough to spend that much on a squaddie....

We have a game midweek you pneumatically repetitive dullard. Rest to recover requires longer rest when not fully fit.

[captainfog]

We'll have to disagree on that first sentence.

On the second we can't compete at the moment because we don't have the money or the kudos. And that's the way it is, bababah...

Players will go where the money is. As demonstrated by the rise of Chelsea and City. And we definitely had the money. We just spunked over 100 million.

[Roboklopp]

Why? I feel our backroom team have a lack of ambition. We should be able to sign big players, Liverpool is a still a big club. Teams with lesser/similar reputations and standing have signed bigger players. In the last few years:

Napoli - Higuain, Albiol
Valencia - Otamendi, Negredo, Rodrigo
Milan - Diego Lopez
Fiorentina - Mario Gomez (not a fan but he was a starter for the German NT and still getting some minutes at Bayern without being a starter)
Sunderland - Giaccherini
QPR - Sandro, Isla and Vargas (all full internationals)
Spurs: Lamela
Wolfsburg: Luis Gustavo and de Bruyne


That's just off the top of my head, there's been plenty of others, but it seems there's an assumption of established or players that are 'almost' there would have no intention of coming to us, if those teams can pick up players like that we should be able to attract the players we need too. Look at Man Utd without CL getting Falcao and Di Maria. If we were one season without CL there'd be the assumption we'd have no chance with those players.

It proves that players will play for lesser teams to earn more money, play in European competition, play in a better league or for a big name club despite poor standing.

Atleti always seemed to buy decent strikers prior to recent success.

[Kenneth]

We'll have to disagree on that first sentence.

On the second we can't compete at the moment because we don't have the money or the kudos. And that's the way it is, bababah...

We did have the money, we just spent it badly. We didn't need Markovic but we spent £20m and whatever £x0k a week he's on. Add that to the striker fund and it would have opened up more options.

[Muddled]

Why? I feel our backroom team have a lack of ambition. We should be able to sign big players, Liverpool is a still a big club. Teams with lesser/similar reputations and standing have signed bigger players. In the last few years:

Napoli - Higuain, Albiol
Valencia - Otamendi, Negredo, Rodrigo
Milan - Diego Lopez
Fiorentina - Mario Gomez (not a fan but he was a starter for the German NT and still getting some minutes at Bayern without being a starter)
Sunderland - Giaccherini
QPR - Sandro, Isla and Vargas (all full internationals)
Spurs: Lamela
Wolfsburg: Luis Gustavo and de Bruyne


That's just off the top of my head, there's been plenty of others, but it seems there's an assumption of established or players that are 'almost' there would have no intention of coming to us, if those teams can pick up players like that we should be able to attract the players we need too. Look at Man Utd without CL getting Falcao and Di Maria. If we were one season without CL there'd be the assumption we'd have no chance with those players.

It proves that players will play for lesser teams to earn more money, play in European competition, play in a better league or for a big name club despite poor standing.

I don't think it's lack of ambition, but more the boundaries we operate within.

[Roboklopp]

I don't think it's lack of ambition, but more the boundaries we operate within.

Playing Devil's Advocate though, does that not ultimately lead to the same outcome?

[Zapater]

I know that the wages are less, but we're essentially paying premium prices for players we still need to develop. Why do that, when you can pay the same price for the finished article.