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    Heysel 30 years on

    It’s nearly 30 years to the day since the name of Liverpool FC, and the reputation of the city of Liverpool, was deeply tarnished by the appalling events in the Heysel Stadium. After all this time, I still find it hard to comprehend how such a shocking turn of events came to pass, especially given the generally good reputation of our fans beforehand.

    Everyone knows what happened inside the stadium, and that has been discussed thoroughly elsewhere. What I’m still curious about, is how the events of the day were to lead to such a horrifying climax.

    I should explain that at the time, I was an impoverished student living in a house without television and did not have regular access to newspapers (and consequently did not see/read many accounts of the immediate aftermath). I watched the game in the student union bar, and like everyone else was reduced to a state of numb shock.

    I’ve read some accounts of the day’s events, most notably in two excellent books, From Where I Was Standing by Chris Rowland, and Far Foreign Land by Tony Evans (both of which are required reading for all LFC fans). Both tell their tales from different standpoints; whereas for Chris and his mates their trip to Brussels started out as a light-hearted jolly, the mood of Tony and his companions was very different. After having described how they were subjected to attacks from Roma fans the year before, he then goes on to describe his experiences on the day of the tragedy in what is one of the most shockingly honest narrative passages I have ever read.

    It was only many years after the event that I discovered that Liverpool fans had been attacked by Roma ultras in 1984; as Tony mentions in his book, there appeared to have been minimal coverage of this in the national media. One of the aspects of the whole sorry saga I find interesting, was that no apparent attempt was made on the part of Liverpool supporters, to distinguish between Roma and Juve fans. It has been said many times that the seeds of Heysel were sewn in Rome the year before. Maybe those Liverpool fans who were brutalised in Rome were sufficiently embittered to fall back upon negative national stereotyping, that all Italian football fans were ****houses who couldn’t be trusted. I don’t know if that’s a fair assumption to make. It was interesting that there were no apparent problems with Milan fans in either the 2005 or 2007 finals, although by that time plenty of water had flowed under the bridge since 1985 and presumably any ill-feeling towards Italians had largely disappeared (not forgetting that, once again, Liverpool supporters were assaulted by Roma hooligans prior to the UEFA Cup tie in the Olympic Stadium in 2001).

    Going back to the day itself, some 14,000 Liverpool fans attended the match, so obviously there are 14,000 different stories to be told, of which Tony’s and Chris’s are only two. I’ve come across accounts of Liverpool and Juve fans having a friendly match at a campsite the night before the game, of rival supporters seemingly mingling with no hint of animosity in the city centre beforehand and with no indication of the trouble that was to follow. I’ve also read about the disturbances in the Grand Place, of jewellers’ stores being looted, of widespread drunkenness outside the stadium prior to the disaster. Tony Evans’ account, in particular, described what appeared to be an appalling, shameful scene of unrestrained alcohol-fuelled anarchy, with a sizeable minority of Liverpool fans seemingly the worse for wear from all-day drinking, and some already showing violent hostility towards Juve fans. Even before the horrific events inside the ground, it seems that the reputation of Liverpool had already been tainted.

    What is difficult to grasp is how quickly proceedings seemingly got out of control, from apparent good humour and joviality at the start of the day to the scenes of hatred, violence and death at the end. I’m just interested to hear people’s experiences of the hours before the match, what the mood was like amongst their fellow supporters, if there was any feeling of tension or animosity beforehand, whether they had experienced or witnessed any interactions with Juve fans (positive or negative), whether they had seen any scenes of disorder or violence in the city centre or outside the stadium, whether there was a distinct point during the day when the mood turned ugly; in short, a sense of how the day developed. If any Juve fans happen to be reading this, it would be particularly interesting to hear of their experiences as well.

    I realise that this subject has probably been covered on several occasions before, so apologies for going over old ground if this is the case.

    Thanks for taking the trouble to read this.

    RIP the 39.

    #2
    I was on holiday with my parents and we watched on a shared tv in the hotel lounge. I've not watched footage since but remember seeing Chelsea shirts among the crowd. I have a vague recollection of a fan wearing a Chelsea top running in front to the stand.

    Whilst not trying to wriggle out of the blame, I think the organised hooliganism between fans unassociated to Liverpool and Juve played a part that day. The location of the stadium didn't help.

    A dark part of football history, RIP to those that died that day

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      #3
      Good read, nice post. Welcome to Est.

      It's one of my earliest football memories. I was 7. I was confused. I remember Phil Neal addressing the crowd on the PA. I remember the game and I remember it seemed strange that the game was being played.

      And it was never a penalty, although that's not important.

      RIP the 39 Juve fans.
      Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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        #4
        Originally posted by Shaggy View Post
        Good read, nice post. Welcome to Est.

        It's one of my earliest football memories. I was 7. I was confused. I remember Phil Neal addressing the crowd on the PA. I remember the game and I remember it seemed strange that the game was being played.

        And it was never a penalty, although that's not important.

        RIP the 39 Juve fans.
        More or less the same for me too. Have to admit though, at the time and being a kid I did want the game to be played. Should never ever have been though, and God only knows how the Juve players could even have been celebrating at the end of that game.

        RIP the 39. YNWA
        "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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          #5
          The game that never should have been.


          Has to be the darkest day for Juventus, her supporters, and all the families and friends of the victims.

          Just as it is their darkest hour it has to be our most shameful.


          Every expression of grief, anger, resentment, disbelief, and loss that comes from those who suffered that day or who lost loved ones should be willingly accepted by Liverpool FC and all who support her. Just as Hillsborough has seen and still sees a justified outpouring of emotion aimed at those at fault, the 39 who never came home from Heysel deserve no less to be done on their behalf.


          RIP the 39
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            #6
            Originally posted by Shaggy View Post
            Good read, nice post. Welcome to Est.

            It's one of my earliest football memories. I was 7. I was confused. I remember Phil Neal addressing the crowd on the PA. I remember the game and I remember it seemed strange that the game was being played.

            And it was never a penalty, although that's not important.

            RIP the 39 Juve fans.
            Agree with all of that. I was 9
            Substance > Style

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              #7
              I'm too young to remember this happening my earliest LFC memory is from '86 but this is one of the darkest moments of our history and of football in general.

              RIP to the 39.
              The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.

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                #8
                i just remember settling down caught the end of granada reports and they said there had been a pitch invasion,then it was time for the match and instead of what should have been a party atmosphere in the ground it was just mayhem
                who's arsed?

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                  #9
                  Carter USM, there's a band I forgot ever existed.

                  Anyway I remember sitting down to watch on TV and the previous programme hadn't quite finished. My mum came in and said she'd heard on the radio that there'd been a riot and someone had died. I thought she must have misheard and that the news report was referring to something else except then Jimmy Hill appeared and it was true or rather it was even worse than the news report had suggested.

                  ****ing hell, even then I couldn't believe it, like it was some sort of weird made up **** and Hill was part of the conspiracy.

                  I know that there was far more to it than just what happened when the wall collapsed but even so, dark days.

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                    #10
                    RIP the 39.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Norbs View Post
                      I was on holiday with my parents and we watched on a shared tv in the hotel lounge. I've not watched footage since but remember seeing Chelsea shirts among the crowd. I have a vague recollection of a fan wearing a Chelsea top running in front to the stand.

                      Whilst not trying to wriggle out of the blame, I think the organised hooliganism between fans unassociated to Liverpool and Juve played a part that day. The location of the stadium didn't help.

                      A dark part of football history, RIP to those that died that day
                      I dont think it had anything to do with unassociated fans and everything to do with what happened at the final in Rome one year prior to this
                      Bob Paisley - "This club has been my life. I'd go out and sweep the street and be proud to do it for Liverpool if they asked me to."

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                        #12
                        RIP the 39

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                          #13
                          The one thing that keeps coming back to me about these events, like those at Hillsborough too, is that what went on at matches went on everywhere, people who organise such events knew as much, and yet on both occasions fans seemed to have been put in grounds that were not fit for purpose.

                          That's not to say all fans are blameless, of course not.

                          rip the 39.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by CarterUSM View Post
                            It was only many years after the event that I discovered that Liverpool fans had been attacked by Roma ultras in 1984; as Tony mentions in his book, there appeared to have been minimal coverage of this in the national media. One of the aspects of the whole sorry saga I find interesting, was that no apparent attempt was made on the part of Liverpool supporters, to distinguish between Roma and Juve fans. It has been said many times that the seeds of Heysel were sewn in Rome the year before. Maybe those Liverpool fans who were brutalised in Rome were sufficiently embittered to fall back upon negative national stereotyping, that all Italian football fans were ****houses who couldn’t be trusted. I don’t know if that’s a fair assumption to make. It was interesting that there were no apparent problems with Milan fans in either the 2005 or 2007 finals, although by that time plenty of water had flowed under the bridge since 1985 and presumably any ill-feeling towards Italians had largely disappeared (not forgetting that, once again, Liverpool supporters were assaulted by Roma hooligans prior to the UEFA Cup tie in the Olympic Stadium in 2001).
                            You're over-thinking it. It was nothing to do with stereotyped anti-Italian sentiment, or a failure to distinguish between Roma and Juve. It was a case of "we're not letting that happen again".

                            Mind you, I was only 7 at the time, so I'm only going on what I've been told.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by calvoboy View Post
                              You're over-thinking it. It was nothing to do with stereotyped anti-Italian sentiment, or a failure to distinguish between Roma and Juve. It was a case of "we're not letting that happen again".

                              Mind you, I was only 7 at the time, so I'm only going on what I've been told.
                              I was at both matches and was only a young lad, I use to travel a lot to away games with my dad and uncle

                              Rome is probably the most scared I have ever been, the day of the match there was an air of tension throughout the City (and an unpleasant one) there was a constant fear of being ambushed / and slashed with knives

                              Afterwards there was pitched battles and again ambushes, one thing I particularly remember is coming out of the stadium and Roma fans hurling burning dustbins at us. It was like a scene from one of those medieval movies where they roll burning tar down the ramparts

                              Afterwards there was definitely an air of determination that it wouldnt be allowed to happen again, the fans would get their retaliation in first. I know it sounds mental but that was the attitude at the time

                              Whatever sparked Heysel, the LFC fans got their retaliation in first, it was wrong and completely unjustifiable on any level. The people involved and the vast majority of the people were local people from the Liverpool area were rightly punished as was the club

                              As for the match, well it was never a penalty and Ronnie Whelan or Ian Rush were brought down in the box which was absolutely blatant but it was never going to be given and didnt matter

                              My overriding memory of the whole trip was the ferry over there and hearing that it would be Joe Fagans last game and the whispers that Kenny would be taking over. I remember seeing little bits of the fighting (from a distance) and the rumours that there had been deaths. The rest of the trip I have pretty much blotted out
                              Bob Paisley - "This club has been my life. I'd go out and sweep the street and be proud to do it for Liverpool if they asked me to."

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