Norwich (H) post match

[frank the tank]

This is the single biggest reason I want him sacked. And it was totally predictable. We all knew he'd go back to 433 and we all knew it wouldn't work. It was obvious he'd have to change it again at some point.

I just don't get it. I can't think of a single 433 team that lack as much pace as we do when we line up. At Swansea he had Dyer & Sinclair out wide who had pace to burn. Why isn't he signing players with pace if that's what he wants? We'd have been better off spending £30m on Bolaise as opposed to Firmino if he wants to play 433.

agree completely. I dont want him to leave because of the results....or even the performances to be honest.....it is because i cannot for the life of me see what direction Brendan is trying to take the team in. In his first season, i thought "okay.....at least he has a plan". His second season was just phenomenal.....but since then, i really can't see what we are trying to achieve in our play.

Going to 3 at the back in the second half v west ham a few weeks ago was the tipping point for me. 3 at the back with lucas sitting.......against a team who played the first half with 10 men behind the ball and managed to get a 2 goal head start. That has been playing on my head for a few weeks and i still cant understand it.

The team line up today - when I saw it I thought "finally....we can get back to seeing a team set up to create chances andd score some goals" - i genuinely thought that we were looking at a diamond formation but the 3 at the back malarkey again today was a joke. Emre Can's job is to bring the ball out of defense and start the play.....Lucas's job is to sit in front of the defense and start the play. It just makes no sense. The only thing i can think of is that BR doeesnt think that Skrtel or Sakho can play in a back 4???

Also, you would have to assume that the long term intention is to pair Sturridge with Benteke up front. So why hasn't Ings, Origi, Firnino or even Ibe / Lallana played up front with Benteke so far this season then? To get Benteke used to playing with a partner ahead of the LFC midfield....and to get the team used to that as well. That is another big failing of Brendan.

Speaking of strikers, i know it is early days and he might be carrying a niggle, but Benteke is looking a shadow of the player he was under the tactical genius that is Tim ****in Sherwood. I know people will say that Sherwood played to Bentekes strenghts....but that is what Brendan has tried to do as well. I know that people will say that Brendan hasnt had enough coaching time with Benteke yet as well......but T-f-S was dropped into the Villa job for a few months at the end of last year....

I know Borini wasnt exactly Luis Suarez but he is a lot better than what he showed under BR. I know Mario is a dope and must be a nightmare to handle but the likes of Mancini, Mourinho were able to get some sort of a song out of him. Origi was billed as one of the best young players in europe - well that is supposed to be Brendans speciality so it will be good to see what happens with him over the season....

I think Brendans saving grace in the eyes of FSG is probably his ability to introduce young players to the first team. Well in reality he has never needed to when the team was under such scrutiny as now.......so it will be interesting to see what kind of impact the likes of Ibe can make in the next couple of weeks and months under Brendans guidance....

I look at the team though and i really think another manager could go in there and get a proper song out of the squad we have. I am not saying that this is what we should do, but even a turkey like Harry Redknapp could probably go in there and at least get the team creating chances and scoring goals.... i think the high running, pressing, intensity game that Klopp would try to introduce might very well suit the squad of players we have at the club at the moment.

I remember after the united game last season - when it was obvious we were not going to qualify for the CL - i posted saying that i would like to see Emre Can play DM, and a few other young players as well so we would at least see what they were made of - if they could suit that play. But Brendan didn't do that - he was too busy dragging the season on to a useless finish. I think the time could come very soon where FSG ask themselves the same question of themselves - do they just let this season fizzle out to a nothing?? Or do they put a new man in place, give him this season to assess his squad and build for the next 3 to 5 seasons??

[Shaggy]

It's bad enough now but who knows what damage will be done to th season if he is kept on for another few months. Personally I think another season outside of the champs league and Coutinho is gone aswell.

I really see no hope with him. When I think about it the amount of vital mistakes with tactics and personnel he has made is nothing short of ridiculous for a club looking to finish in the top 4. He is so out of his depth and I think he knows it. Once he is gone from LFC, he will never get a job like it again.

Could see him at somewhere like Newcastle but yeah he'll need to rebuild his rep cos at the moment - and trust me I hate saying this cos I've vehemently disagreed with it for so long - at the moment he's looking a bit of a charlatan.

[danperkins]

Could see him at somewhere like Newcastle but yeah he'll need to rebuild his rep cos at the moment - and trust me I hate saying this cos I've vehemently disagreed with it for so long - at the moment he's looking a bit of a charlatan.

yeah he is looking like a bit of a blagger.

[G]

Something I've thought of too. If he'd have gone in the summer his reputation would have still been in decent shape. He's totally destroying it the longer this goes on and the more deluded ****e he chats.

[Mark79]

He's not a charlatan or a blagger, he's just a mid-table manager.

[Roboklopp]

He's not a charlatan or a blagger, he's just a mid-table manager.

So by inference he shouldn't be in a top 5 job spouting management ****e to try give the illusion he has a coherent & robust strategy.

[Mark79]

So by inference he shouldn't be in a top 5 job spouting management ****e to try give the illusion he has a coherent & robust strategy.

Just like every other struggling manager does.

[Roboklopp]

Just like every other struggling manager does.

He's always done it & has struggled too long with too little strategy too pull is out of the mire.

[Shaggy]

I mean he's obviously not a complete and utter fraud - not like one of us getting the job. But he has a hubris about him, and talks in these ludicrous riddles, that is starting to give me the impression of delusions of grandeur. All these too-clever-by-half formation changes. He thinks he's reinventing the wheel, when in fact he's all over the place. That relentless possession thing he was known for at Swansea...we did that for a while but it was passive and ****, then Suarez/Sturridge/Sterling demanded that we play a different game, that got broken up and what have we been since? We're not that possession machine any more, we're not that lightning quick maverick pressing machine, we're not anything. We're beige at best. His thinking seems so muddled. I'm going off track here - he's not a complete fraud but the longer this goes on, and the more bollocks he talks about it, the bigger fool he's starting to look.

[Roboklopp]

I mean he's obviously not a complete and utter fraud - not like one of us getting the job. But he has a hubris about him, and talks in these ludicrous riddles, that is starting to give me the impression of delusions of grandeur. All these too-clever-by-half formation changes. He thinks he's reinventing the wheel, when in fact he's all over the place. That relentless possession thing he was known for at Swansea...we did that for a while but it was passive and ****, then Suarez/Sturridge/Sterling demanded that we play a different game, that got broken up and what have we been since? We're not that possession machine any more, we're not that lightning quick maverick pressing machine, we're not anything. We're beige at best. His thinking seems so muddled. I'm going off track here - he's not a complete fraud but the longer this goes on, and the more bollocks he talks about it, the bigger fool he's starting to look.

Aye, says it all really. Paragraphs would've helped so only 9/10 though.

[Mark79]

He's always done it & has struggled too long with too little strategy too pull is out of the mire.

He believes differently. He's wrong of course, but that still doesn't make him a charlatan. Simply a manager who hasn't turned out to be good enough for the job his was invited to take on.

[Roboklopp]

He believes differently. He's wrong of course, but that still doesn't make him a charlatan. Simply a manager who hasn't turned out to be good enough for the job his was invited to take on.

Does self-belief really mean he isn't a charlatan, I'm not 100% sure of the strict semantics of all the criteria that qualities it in its original sense tbh.

Even so, I'm no longer convinced he's convinced by his own bull****.

[danperkins]

I mean he's obviously not a complete and utter fraud - not like one of us getting the job. But he has a hubris about him, and talks in these ludicrous riddles, that is starting to give me the impression of delusions of grandeur. All these too-clever-by-half formation changes. He thinks he's reinventing the wheel, when in fact he's all over the place. That relentless possession thing he was known for at Swansea...we did that for a while but it was passive and ****, then Suarez/Sturridge/Sterling demanded that we play a different game, that got broken up and what have we been since? We're not that possession machine any more, we're not that lightning quick maverick pressing machine, we're not anything. We're beige at best. His thinking seems so muddled. I'm going off track here - he's not a complete fraud but the longer this goes on, and the more bollocks he talks about it, the bigger fool he's starting to look.

yeah that's really spot on mate.

[Mark79]

Does self-belief really mean he isn't a charlatan, I'm not 100% sure of the strict semantics of all the criteria that qualities it in its original sense tbh.

Even so, I'm no longer convinced he's convinced by his own bull****.

Well to me a charlatan is a con artist, which is very different from a false sense of your own ability.

Obviously he know's he's struggling but I don't doubt that he isn't still hopeful of turning things around.

But if anyone wants to say he's deluded then I won't disagree

[peekay]

I mean he's obviously not a complete and utter fraud - not like one of us getting the job. But he has a hubris about him, and talks in these ludicrous riddles, that is starting to give me the impression of delusions of grandeur. All these too-clever-by-half formation changes. He thinks he's reinventing the wheel, when in fact he's all over the place. That relentless possession thing he was known for at Swansea...we did that for a while but it was passive and ****, then Suarez/Sturridge/Sterling demanded that we play a different game, that got broken up and what have we been since? We're not that possession machine any more, we're not that lightning quick maverick pressing machine, we're not anything. We're beige at best. His thinking seems so muddled. I'm going off track here - he's not a complete fraud but the longer this goes on, and the more bollocks he talks about it, the bigger fool he's starting to look.

He is a very good young manager with good ideas on how to play the game. This job came too early for him. Football in England would be lot more entertaining if most teams attacked like a Rodgers team, and more importantly defended like a Rodgers team.