[PL] Newcastle (H): Post Match

[Maxiedge]

You'd back Neuer to not make the number of errors Mignolet has over season that's cost us goals/points.

Honestly, I'm not Mignolets biggest fan (go and check his thread for some of my comments ) but he has shown recently that, in a working unit, he can do a job. The issue is that he's not in the bracket of keeper to keep us in the game or save us, so to speak, when things aren't going well. Yesterday, I thought we gave the ball away way too cheaply to not expect any sort of combating from Newcastle.

Would be very happy if we could replace him with that 'top' level of keeper

[TheElephantMan]

The goalie position is crucial, the defence is affected by their confidence in the goalkeeper and the midfield by their confidence in the defence. Every position is vital to the system, but if you have a striker who loses the ball then you can compensate if they're a great striker and the opposition are more worried about their potential attacking qualities than capitalising on their lack of ball retention. If a goalkeeper is jittery then it sends a signal to the opposition and it puts doubts in the minds of the defence, so half the team is under more pressure than it should be. A decent confident goalkeeper would make a world of difference to this team.

[RichC]

So what's the point? If we had the best goalkeeper in the world then we'd concede less goals (Sherlock)? We will hopefully replace him, but it's not going to make a world of difference, realistically it will be slim margins at best.

Neuer was the example given. Mignolet has made countless errors in goal this season (15) I think was the number touted. There are plenty of keepers that we could bring in and reduce those error counts and therefore give us a better chance to pick up more points so no not slim margins at best.

Look at what having a decent keeper has done to the Mancs and countless other sides over the years

[Daffy Duck]

4 points given away against relegation battling ****e like Newcastle and Sunderland after being two goals ahead Hopefully Klopp and players have become aware that this is now a thing and that they have to approach the second half just as seriously as the start of the game. Really ****in unnecessary.

[Muddled]

The goalie position is crucial, the defence is affected by their confidence in the goalkeeper and the midfield by their confidence in the defence. Every position is vital to the system, but if you have a striker who loses the ball then you can compensate if they're a great striker and the opposition are more worried about their potential attacking qualities than capitalising on their lack of ball retention. If a goalkeeper is jittery then it sends a signal to the opposition and it puts doubts in the minds of the defence, so half the team is under more pressure than it should be. A decent confident goalkeeper would make a world of difference to this team.

A good 'keeper can help see out a win to nil or be the difference between a draw and defeat. It's no coincidence that teams pushing for honours have a more than capable person between the sticks. It's one of the reasons that Arsenal haven't pushed on and Wenger's seemingly blind spot in the goalkeeping department is well known.

[RichC]

Honestly, I'm not Mignolets biggest fan (go and check his thread for some of my comments ) but he has shown recently that, in a working unit, he can do a job. The issue is that he's not in the bracket of keeper to keep us in the game or save us, so to speak, when things aren't going well. Yesterday, I thought we gave the ball away way too cheaply to not expect any sort of combating from Newcastle.

Would be very happy if we could replace him with that 'top' level of keeper

I agree he can actually however he does throw up a number of errors over a course of the season which seem to me cost us a fair few points and more so than I would think is acceptable.

We do need to work better at keeping the ball though far too many sloppy passes yesterday and again that's not an isolated incident its happened a fair bit over the season.

[Lee]

Firmino certainly didn't have his best game, he can be quite frustrating as he drifts in and out of games however he does have a handy knack of popping the ball into the back of the net.

Mignolet gifts too many soft goals for my liking, I think he's a good shot stopper but there are a number of keepers as good if not better than him at that his biggest weakness for me is the mental side of the game.
He just seems to lack concentration & self belief which leads to making poor decisions; sort of reminds me of David James talented keeper but capable of terrible howlers from not being strong enough mentally.

Anyway I guess the two dropped points yesterday didn't really harm our season really as a top 4 finish was never going to happen anyway

To be honest I don't even think he's a good shot-stopper. He sometimes pulls off a fantastic save but nothing that you expect any half-competent keeper to do.

He's been better recently but in fairness he hasn't had much to do. He doesn't excel in any area and we all know what a decent keeper can bring to their team.

We need a new number one next season.

[Kenneth]

Neuer was the example given. Mignolet has made countless errors in goal this season (15) I think was the number touted. There are plenty of keepers that we could bring in and reduce those error counts and therefore give us a better chance to pick up more points so no not slim margins at best.

Look at what having a decent keeper has done to the Mancs and countless other sides over the years

Sure, but your second example is probably the second best keeper in the world. We aren't going to sign an equivalent keeper. We just aren't.

[Exiled_red]

Not sure where to put this but I've just been looking at the table and noticed that our 58 goals puts us joint 4th top scorers with Arsenal, Only Leicester (59) Spurs (64) and Man City (66) have scored more. Which is remarkable given our lack of strikers for a large part of the season. In our first 24 PL games we scored only 30 goals, in the last 10 we have scored 28, hopefully we can keep strikers fit and get goals with that frequency next season. The problem is defensively only 8 sides have conceded more

[Red_Polo]

Sure, but your second example is probably the second best keeper in the world. We aren't going to sign an equivalent keeper. We just aren't.

It's not easy but it's certainly not the impossibility you make out.

We don't have to sign De Gea or Neuer, we have to sign the next upcoming goalkeeping talent that pessimists from other clubs will soon become resigned to being unable to attract.

[RichC]

Sure, but your second example is probably the second best keeper in the world. We aren't going to sign an equivalent keeper. We just aren't.

He wasn't my example point still stands we can improve our keeper situation who whilst will make errors won't (hopefully) make as many as Mig makes.

[el matador]

Sure, but your second example is probably the second best keeper in the world. We aren't going to sign an equivalent keeper. We just aren't.

Mignolet is one of the worst 3 goalkeepers in our division. When Chelsea, arsenal and man u have better reserve goalies (or at the very least equal to mignolet) that tells you everything you need to know.

Bringing in a decent goalie would make us much better and it would make a big difference in our defensive ability and our points too.

15 errors ffs! Has any goalie made that many in any season.

[Roboklopp]

Aye, not sure why Ken ain't getting this. Were we to sign 2006 Reina he'd make a huge difference.

[Kenneth]

You tell me, I don't know who came up with the number of 15 but at least 17 haven't if he really is one of the worst 3.

[el matador]

Aye, not sure why Ken ain't getting this. Were we to sign 2006 Reina he'd make a huge difference.

People though petr cech would add 10 points a season to arsenal and it hasn't happened due to other players not playing as well, but Reina taking over from dudek was a massive upgrade. That's where we are now and that's the sort of impact were looking for from our new goalie.