Loris Karius

[Myo]

I don’t think you can underestimate the fact that concussion can play a major factor in performance. Though Karius has been guilty of being a bit flakey the first mistake was outrageous (almost unprecedented) and this may in part explain it.

Did Karius receive a blow to the head? Yes.
Did he make at leat one uncharacteristic mistake? Yes.
Could the 2 be linked? Yes.
Are the club likely to be behind this in assisting with Karius PR? Yes.

But with the best will in the world he has received a medical diagnosis. So we have to take the concussion as fact.

The other question is why be so so desperate to not allow or accept the fact that the head injury could have affected the performance of one of our players during a massive game?

Because admitting all of that doesn’t mean we don’t need a better keeper.

this is spot on, too post buzz...

Tell you a story I haven't told many others (parents don't even know this at the time lest they wrap me up in cotton wool or my close mates lest they think I have a physical impediment)...

As an amateur boxer in my youth, I used to get punched a lot in the head, yeah we had the head guards on and the like and we just shook it off in the ring, there was a couple of times after a bout, within about a minute or two I started getting blurry vision or shakey legs and could not speak (form words), the worst though was not in the ring, it was at farkin touch freesbee of all things, when a guy ran into me and his shoulder made contact into the side of my face, I fell shanked it off, went for a piss at the public urinal, lost motor functions and fell down (even though I knew I was falling I couldn't stop my actions..lost consciousness for about 2 or 3 secs, doc told me it was concussion)... point I am trying to make here is that after such a hit, especially to the head or jaw area, there are times we get wiped out or our body does things like 2 or 3 seconds ahead of our brain (reaction times goes way down.. for example I knew I was going to fall, I wanted to sit but I couldn't stop myself)... I was guilty of shouting obscenities at karius as well during that match, not defending him, but I think some of you have been ott (me included) in judgement, the lad deserves another chance, prior to this he was developing real well, now it's up to him to show his mental strength ala Lucas for next season..

[Myo]

Did he have concussion against Roma?

What's your point? Did we not beat them? If he did, what did allison get? A coma? Ffs,

[Fuzzy]

Did you just compare Karius to De Bruyne?

De Bruyne at Chelsea, right? Come on...



Don't think Karius has made, prior to the CL final of course, any more defensive mistakes than Van Dijk has - and he's also had a pretty **** season for Southampton. But the same standards apparently don't apply to all of our players, as most fans would probably vote him up there with Hyypia and Carra right now.

If you want to argue that he wasn't really concussed, or that he was but it didn't have much to do with his mistakes, then fine, I have no expertise to claim otherwise, but I really don't see much wrong with his 23 performances before the final. The fact that people have to scramble to use that Kolarov shot (which was sick btw) as a stick to beat him with pretty much confirms it.

[Venton]

De Bruyne at Chelsea, right? Come on...



Don't think Karius has made, prior to the CL final of course, any more defensive mistakes than Van Dijk has - and he's also had a pretty **** season for Southampton. But the same standards apparently don't apply to all of our players, as most fans would probably vote him up there with Hyypia and Carra right now.

If you want to argue that he wasn't really concussed, or that he was but it didn't have much to do with his mistakes, then fine, I have no expertise to claim otherwise, but I really don't see much wrong with his 23 performances before the final. The fact that people have to scramble to use that Kolarov shot (which was sick btw) as a stick to beat him with pretty much confirms it.

I genuinely don't think he had a very good season and as far as I can tell most of the praise he got for his improvement was for doing things we generally regard as being business as usual for keepers. I genuinely don't get the idea that he's good enough to be our number one and the thought that if we sell him we're in danger of losing someone who'll be as good in goal as De Bruyne is in the outfield makes me spit my horlicks down my front.

Anyway, let's see what the transfer market brings. We've still got Lovren and Moreno in the squad so I suppose there is hope for Karius yet.

[Leyton388]

What's your point? Did we not beat them? If he did, what did allison get? A coma? Ffs,

My point is he's made mistakes previously and shown he was not good enough anyway so regardless of him suffering a concusion in the final he still needs to be replaced.

[Fredo]

You'll be moaning all of next year if he's not replaced? Ffs, get over it, this is tedious.

[vlahka]

The only thing I don't get is why after Ramos took out 2 of our players was he never on the receiving end of vicious shoulder barges or tackles? You let players like that get away with something and they'll do it again. We used to do it once.

[BigChief]

The question here is, why does no one notice that Karius is playing through concussion? And find if difficult to believe the reports even after? Shows the level of confidence he instills in his teammates and us fans (not including the idiots making threats of course. They're not fans).

[Nicey]

The only thing I don't get is why after Ramos took out 2 of our players was he never on the receiving end of vicious shoulder barges or tackles? You let players like that get away with something and they'll do it again. We used to do it once.

He is obviously very good at hiding his tracks and completely ruthless, purposely injuring players is obviously part of his toolbox of tricks. Now I can see why opposition fans truly hate him so much.

[Fosterbloke]

Did you just compare Karius to De Bruyne?

Why can't I compare them? The subject is one of being ruthless, not direct ability.

Why do people always assume that if a comparison between two players is made then we must mean they're as good as each other?

[Fosterbloke]

I genuinely don't think he had a very good season and as far as I can tell most of the praise he got for his improvement was for doing things we generally regard as being business as usual for keepers.

Yeah like that 'business as usual' save against Bolasie's shot. You could argue that that save got us into the CL.

There's been countless other examples of doing things that average PL keepers don't do or do but not very well.

He was improving, the defence improved and everyone was content. No one here was nervous about his performance in the CL final, not even close to how nervous some were about Lovren.

I genuinely don't get the idea that he's good enough to be our number one and the thought that if we sell him we're in danger of losing someone who'll be as good in goal as De Bruyne is in the outfield makes me spit my horlicks down my front.

I didn't say 'as good as De Bruyne'. I just said that people that want to throw players out in a ruthless streak should look to previous examples of where that's happened. I guess Mourinho is quite ruthless!

[Exiled_red]

The only thing I don't get is why after Ramos took out 2 of our players was he never on the receiving end of vicious shoulder barges or tackles? You let players like that get away with something and they'll do it again. We used to do it once.

Because and time one of our players went within a couple yards of him he threw himself to the floor and tried to get them booked

[Norbs]

I disagree that he was a flapper or insecure before the final, in fact he had looked great since becoming our no.1 keeper and was my main candidate for our future first keeper.

I'm no medical expert so I can't say anything about the validity of these results, but I imagine that a concussive blow to the head with an elbow two minutes before a mistake would have something to do with it.

I actually for the first time ever think a player deserves to have his legs snapped in half and never play again.

100% all of that

[Norbs]

The only thing I don't get is why after Ramos took out 2 of our players was he never on the receiving end of vicious shoulder barges or tackles? You let players like that get away with something and they'll do it again. We used to do it once.

According to other fans, it was a shove by VVD on Ramos that pushed him in to Karius. The clip is inconclusive but VVD was in the vacinity

[Norbs]

Because any time one of our players went within a couple yards of him he threw himself to the floor and tried to get them booked

Also correct