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    Howard Gayle

    Couldn't see a thread on this anywhere and thought it deserved one.

    Well done Howard.



    The first black footballer to play for Liverpool has turned down an MBE nomination, saying it would be "a betrayal" to Africans who suffered at the hands of the British Empire.

    Howard Gayle, 58, was born in Toxteth and made his Reds debut in 1977.

    He said he had to decline the nomination, for his Show Racism the Red Card campaign work, as his ancestors would be "turning in their graves".

    The Cabinet Office said it did not comment on individual cases.

    The former footballer wrote on Facebook: "Most of you who are on my FB page are aware of the work that I do tackling racism and the work I do for Show Racism A Red Card. And for that work yesterday I was nominated for a MBE."





    Howard Gayle's status on declining MBEImage copyright Facebook
    He added: "Which unfortunately I had to decline the nomination for the reason that my ancestors would be turning in their graves after how Empire and Colonialism had enslaved them.

    "This is a decision that I have had to make and there will be others who may feel different and would enjoy the attraction of being a Member of the British Empire and those 3 letters after their name, but I feel that It would be a betrayal to all of the Africans who have lost their lives, or who have suffered as a result of Empire."

    As well as representing England at Under-21 level, Gayle played for Blackburn Rovers, Fulham, Birmingham City, Halifax Town, Sunderland, Newcastle United and Stoke City.



    CBE, OBE and MBE medalsImage copyright PA
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    CBE, OBE and MBE medals

    Other honours snubs
    ◾LS Lowry - the painter turned down a total of five honours, including an OBE in 1955, a CBE in 1961 and a knighthood in 1968
    ◾Benjamin Zephaniah - the poet spurned an OBE in 2003 saying it stood for colonial brutality and slavery
    ◾David Bowie - the music legend turned down a CBE in 2000
    ◾Dawn French and Jennifer Saunders - the comedy duo refused OBEs in 2001
    ◾John Lennon - the Beatles legend returned his MBE four years after accepting it in 1965 in protest against the Vietnam and Biafran wars
    ◾JG Ballard - the writer rejected a CBE saying he was opposed to the "preposterous charade" of the honours system


    Facebook users reacted to the post, saying "respect" and calling the former Liverpool star a man of principle.

    Paul Al-Naqib wrote: "So sad that a history of oppression can still have a negative effect today... years after.

    "You are a good honest man... many crumble and forget their morals when presented with their pieces of silver. You'll always be Sir Howard Gayle of Tocky to me."

    Kenny Norton added: "You don't need an MBE to be the person you are. Well done Howard."

    Kevin Edgar wrote: "Takes a lot of mental strength and self belief that Howard. Standing up for what you believe has real dignity too."

    The UK honours system is overseen by the Cabinet Office Honours and Appointments Secretariat.
    Really?

    #2
    Good man

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      #3
      I can understand his position, and it is worthy of respect.

      The British Empire did a lot of bad, as well as good - for example the Royal Navy policed the abolition of the international slave trade across the globe in the 19th century.

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        #4
        Good on him
        The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.

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          #5
          Well done Howard.
          I love Sarah

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            #6
            A man of principle...

            Respect
            What do you mean it could've been anyone? Name me one person who's got a grudge against penguins

            Batman

            F*** off!!!

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              #7
              Understandable I guess, but trite ******y really.

              Pretty much all nations have some form of civilian honours to recognise achievement and/or contribution to society.

              Without doing the whole evaluation of British Empire in contemporary rather than modern context, his "stand" is based on a flawed premise that these awards are in any way other than the name linked to colonial empire.
              "that is my opinion and that is more important than what anyone else has to say about it" - Mr A.Fergusson, Oct 2011

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                #8
                Should we not accept honours from France because of the invasion of Normandy? How long is enough is the real question.


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                Was muß, das muß.

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                  #9
                  Lighten up lads.

                  Can't believe people are having a debate about national honours!

                  RIP Howard.
                  I love Sarah

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by brightred View Post
                    Lighten up lads.

                    Can't believe people are having a debate about national honours!

                    RIP Howard.
                    He's not dead. He's just turned down an honour. Hence the entire point of the thread being discussing that
                    Like blood on iron

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                      #11
                      Oh I don't know.

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                        #12
                        The times they are a changin'.

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                          #13
                          ffs

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                            #14
                            Total respect for Howard Gayle.
                            "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Red_Polo View Post
                              He's not dead. He's just turned down an honour. Hence the entire point of the thread being discussing that
                              Are you sure he's not dead?


                              Could have sworn he was dead.
                              I love Sarah

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