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Seriously need to look at Klopp for this one, Vardy has one asset - pace, so lets plays two of the slowest players at the back .......... I knew after 5 mins we were going to be **** tonight & i suspect many other reds did also; that in itself is shocking.
The players lack fight & mentality, we are meat aand drink for **** sides; its unbelievable TBH!
Look at the side; we all know it, at a minimum need a keeper, centre half, left back, centre mid; jesus 18 months in & we are still lacking a spine that is shocking
Lucas playing at CB last night was a bad move but the fact none of our players could make a make a pass in the first half also didn't help.
Once the game started with them on the front foot you could almost see them slipping into their shells looking for a teammate to do something about what was going on, and that for me is the biggest issue, there are too many mentally weak players in our squad who are not willing to try and make the difference themselves.
Based on last night you could make a case for almost all of them being moved on, unrealistic of course but we need players with the right mentality and far too many of ours just don't have it.
How many of these do we keep repeating every ****ing season? Too many mentally weak players, no leaders, no experienced winners, players playing out of position, same tactics over and over that clearly aren't working, no plan B, consistently woeful defence for years, inconsistent front line, zero pace & Klopp really seems baffled by he whole thing. His interview last night was just babble last night.
It's not one thing that is wrong with us unfortunately. There are so many issues that **** knows where to start.
How many of these do we keep repeating every ****ing season? Too many mentally weak players, no leaders, no experienced winners, players playing out of position, same tactics over and over that clearly aren't working, no plan B, consistently woeful defence for years, inconsistent front line, zero pace & Klopp really seems baffled by he whole thing. His interview last night was just babble last night.
It's not one thing that is wrong with us unfortunately. There are so many issues that **** knows where to start.
Yep I'm sorry guys but Klopp has to take his fair share of the blame in this, yes the players are spineless cunts but what's new, we all knew that anyway but bad tactics (Consistently) by Klopp and a stubbornness and unwillingness to change.
The season is a ****ing write off for me, bitterly disappointing from this club. If we have another season like this Klopp will go whether that's by choice or sacking I am absolutely certain of that.
Klopp on LFC vs MUFC (March 9th 2016) - "This is why I love football. This is why we watched it when we were young. I can still not have enough of it."
Always, keep your face to the sun, and shadows will fall behind you.
I know Klopp likes his centre forward to be a good all-round player but for me we really need someone who can just put the ball in the net, with all the possession we have you would imagine that a Fowler type player who could score half chance would make a big difference to this side. While Firmino is great when he and the team are playing well, but when we aren't playing well he offers wery little, someone who can get regular goals from nothing would be offering more.
A couple of other things that I have noticed recently is that we seem to have fallen into the trap of believing that lots of possession and playing high up the pitch means we will win, but so many times we have 5 or 6 players high up the field showing little or no movement.
Similarly we are over committing players and we don't have a defence suited to playing a high line which has cost us so many goals recently.
I can't believe that Klopp hasn't really tried to change things either in terms of tactics or formation because we have been playing the same way for the past couple of months and it really hasn't been working, at some point we have to change something otherwise we are going to get more of the same.
The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.
I'm not one to slag our owners off.....but right now this side needs a minimum of 5 top class players and arguably another 3.....just to compete in and challenge/win something....that's a huge investment and something i can't see happening unless we have a Man City/Chelsea/Utd type spending spree
We need leaders/ top class pros who will not accept standards slipping...
All teams and individuals have bad days but could u imagine that performance from some of those players if we had hyppia, carragher, mascherano, Suarez etc in the squad
In fact just imagine now....luis Suarez will to win no matter what....imagine how he would have reacted being part of that tonight...he'd have gone ****ing mental
Despicable performance and result. We could quite easily face a situation next season where Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Utd and City are all in the CL and we are not. Wouldn't have said not getting a CL place at the start of the season was failure but it would be a huge failure from the position we were in and the favourable circumstances.
We've been poor so often lately that last night was a very predictable result. However that was a horrendous performance by every single player, absolutely disgusting and spineless.
We couldn't string a pass together at times...what happened to the Gini from the Spurs game?!
We can still do top 4 but it feels increasingly unlikely.
We really need some top quality added to this squad, it is severely lacking.
What was the point of buying Klavan if he can't get in front of a cumbersome midfielder in his natural position at centre back?
Firmino has gone to **** hasn't he. You think you know a player then it all goes tits up. It's best we accept we all know ****ing nothing and all we can do is judge what we're seeing in the here and now, and for now Firmino along with a few others isn't doing enough.
How bad is he though , looking like a superstar few months ago
Now he cant even do basic things right. same for Lallana as well
The drop off in our attacking players has amazed me.
To achieve anything at all you need a strong spine. Ours currently looks like:
GK - we have 2 of them, neither of whom are good enough (presently anyway, I'd hope Karius will develop)
CB - only 1 who's definitely good enough (Matip), 1 who's OK but has been injured a lot this year (Lovren) and what the **** Lucas is doing there as 4th choice I'll never know
CM - we're short because one of our better ones is currently playing left-back. We don't have cover for Henderson and we don't have anyone who can play DM well.
CF - Firmino is the only one who can be trusted to play Klopp's way, and he's out of form.
Right through the spine, we're OK if everyone is fully fit, but screwed if even a couple of our first choice team isn't available. But the club decided there was nobody available in world football who could help us improve that situation in January, even having spent **** all in the summer. Scandalous.
It's the hunger and desire to want to win a game against a rejuvenated side, away, with tough conditions. It was going to be tough, it was going to be a battle. We just don't have that in our locker.
Right through the spine, we're OK if everyone is fully fit, but screwed if even a couple of our first choice team isn't available. But the club decided there was nobody available in world football who could help us improve that situation in January, even having spent **** all in the summer. Scandalous.
Yeah January was a **** show, he only seems to trust about 11 or 12 players but apparently there was no one out there to help? Riiiggghht! Gonna **** up an amazing chance of a CL place and have to play catch up again on a Europa League budget.
To achieve anything at all you need a strong spine. Ours currently looks like:
GK - we have 2 of them, neither of whom are good enough (presently anyway, I'd hope Karius will develop)
CB - only 1 who's definitely good enough (Matip), 1 who's OK but has been injured a lot this year (Lovren) and what the **** Lucas is doing there as 4th choice I'll never know
CM - we're short because one of our better ones is currently playing left-back. We don't have cover for Henderson and we don't have anyone who can play DM well.
CF - Firmino is the only one who can be trusted to play Klopp's way, and he's out of form.
Right through the spine, we're OK if everyone is fully fit, but screwed if even a couple of our first choice team isn't available. But the club decided there was nobody available in world football who could help us improve that situation in January, even having spent **** all in the summer. Scandalous.
totally agree - the spine is atrocious - we need a whole new spine - with the current spine playing alongside it if that makes sense - ignoring the full back and wide positions for a second and just looking at the spine
and then add Clyne/Lallana/Coutinho or Firminho into the side to make a pretty good starting XI
it then means you have remaining in the squad
karius as a 2nd choice keeper
taa to give rb cover
lovren cb
Gomez cb
milner - cover a few positions
can - cm
wijnaldum - cm
one of coutinho/firminho
origi - cf
And then i'd argue we need another
lb to compete for that spot
another quality cm that its a better option than can/wijnaldum
another quality pacy wide attacking option
the kids aside - anyone not listed gets sold including loaned out players.
That's 5 immediate top class first teamers needed as a minimum - and in an ideal world another 3 players on top to beef out the squad.
The above would give us a good 22 man squad, capable of competing across a long season (especially if we scrap European football) - at the moment we have about 14!
full squad list -
New GK > Karius
clyne > taa
New cb > Gomez
Matip > Lovren
New lb > Moreno or 2nd left back
New DM > Can
Henderson > New CM
Lallana > Wijnaldum
Mane > new pacy wf New CF > Origi
Firminho or coutinho
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