Title Race 18/19

[banditos]

4 points in our next 2 will see us back on top. Don’t forget City will still need to go to OT following that. Both teams also still to host Spurs. Plenty to play for.

[Pablo]

Win on Saturday and we're in an incredible position with 12 games left.

I think we'd have all taken being 5-6 points behind them at this stage if offered it at the start of November, let alone the start of the season.

Both teams will drop more points so there will be more drama to come I'm sure.

It is pure stress though I'll give you that. It's absolutely all consuming this compared to a stop-start Champions League run.

[Assassin]

To be honest I havent really looked at the PL table for a few weeks. I was surprised to find out that we were level with a game in hand. Just wondering what all of the noise is about

[Fredo]

We've lost only one game and this against City after two thirds of the season gone.

It's ridiculous. We're still bossing this.

[Phoenix07]

We've lost only one game and this against City after two thirds of the season gone.

It's ridiculous. We're still bossing this.

But the media need a crisis team, and after two draws, we're next in line.

I can't wait for them to start repeating the 'Klopp needs a trophy' mantra, trying to hound him out, and force Gareth Southgate on us.

[The_weatherman]

But the media need a crisis team, and after two draws, we're next in line.

I can't wait for them to start repeating the 'Klopp needs a trophy' mantra, trying to hound him out, and force Gareth Southgate on us.

Yeah, weird isn't it? One headline quoted Klopp as saying we were still "doing well" despite the draws and injuries, putting it in brackets as if we are not really doing well

I mean WTF, if we are not doing well, what would constitute doing well, Spurs are also having an outstanding season, you can't really fault them. City are pretty much doing what was expected, I'd ourselves and Spurs are doing fantastically well this season.

[greenturnip]

I guess it's our form that is a concern. Man City are grinding out wins again but also playing some good stuff, as are Spurs. We're having a minor blip - but it isn't just the results - our footy lacks rhythm all of a sudden. We're running in treacle and not looking fluid. Hopefully we can batter Bournemouth.....then the meedja will shut up (not that I'm bothered what they say).

[Lecter]

Silva has lot the plot I think. I thought he was a promising manager, but I am not sure about that anymore.

I don't get the train of thought that he was anywhere near qualified for that job

His record at Hull & Watford was appalling

[dom9]

Reading this brings to mind the cry-baby mentality of some of our most vocal posters in the match threads (and relentlessly beyond).

https://www.football365.com/news/the-2018-19-premier-league-title-race-expose-the-fraud

The 2018/19 Premier League title race: Expose the ‘fraud’

When Liverpool’s official account tweeted the starting XI selected by Jurgen Klopp on Monday night, it provoked a wave of abusive replies from those purporting to be supporters of the club. The principal subject of their disdain was Adam Lallana, an England international picked to play in central midfield due to injuries suffered by Georginio Wijnaldum and Jordan Henderson.

‘Now for the real team,’ was the typical reply. One included a gif of a cartoon suicide, another of someone pulling a noose over their neck. At least some were happy, albeit hardly in a supportive fashion: they expressed delight that Wijnaldum and Henderson had suffered knocks because they disliked seeing them in their team.

Of course, Lallana played well. He drove forward, protected the ball and looked to provide the link between the midfield and Liverpool’s front three, because that is what he always does. But by full-time, with Liverpool drawing 1-1, Lallana was no longer the story. Suddenly Liverpool supporters on social media expressed concern that their team was ‘bottling the title’. Search on Twitter for ‘Klopp sacked’ if you think that’s the worst of the extreme reaction. Yes, Klopp should be sacked if Liverpool don’t win the league.

For what it’s worth, Liverpool are on course to achieve the third highest points total in Premier League history and the highest points total in the club’s entire history. If social media is no barometer of majority opinion nor the natural habitat of reasoned debate, the entitlement among some is still striking. Where did we all go wrong?

Liverpool are only this week’s example of the wailing hysteria that now envelopes football coverage. Last week, you could listen to pundits saying that Maurizio Sarri faced the immediate sack at Chelsea. When Manchester City lost to Newcastle, the Bald Fraud Army mobilised their troops. In the space of six weeks, Mauricio Pochettino has been damned for Tottenham losing to Wolves, praised for their three-game winning response, castigated again for cup defeats and then lauded for late victories. Tottenham’s participation in the title race follows the same path as a hokey-cokey dance.

Things happen in football matches. Teams drop points. Football players are people and by definition are therefore unreliable. We have not yet created a club filled with footballing automata. We liberally bestow greatness and ignominy, and very few merit either description. What’s worse, we redistribute those terms more often than the wind changes.

It has created a bizarro world in which reputations are decided solely through a prism of extremism. If Liverpool finish second, Tottenham third and Manchester United fourth, hardly a highly unlikely scenario, there will be four teams in the top six (Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea) whose current managers will be accused of overseeing disappointment this season. And disappointment means fraudulence. It’s exhausting.

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The financial inequality and competitive imbalance of the Premier League is, in part, responsible for increased supporter impatience. The gap between the top six and the rest – in economic terms at least – has never been wider. As such, wins against that ‘rest’ have become expectation rather than ambition, and any dropped points a relative crisis.

Take Tottenham as an example of the decreased margin for error. Pochettino’s team are on course to reach 87 points, which would most likely see Tottenham finish third and their manager’s progress seriously questioned. That points total would have won the Premier League in 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2010, 2011, 2014, 2015 and 2016. The goalposts have moved.

A victory by anything other than a convincing scoreline thus fails to deposit anything into a manager’s bank of goodwill. Defeats and draws make significant withdrawals. Only eventual triumph counts as success, and any stumble is apparent proof of an inability to stomach the fight.

If the media plays little part on the production line of the extremism of supporter opinion, it is a vital cog in its distribution. In the Wild West of digital journalism, it has never been harder to sell pieces and never more necessary to do so. Psychologists have repeatedly proven negativity bias, in which sudden crisis is more interesting to readers than sustainable improvement. Nobody wants to read that everything is fine and nothing sells like bad news. Call someone a fraud, and people click to enjoy them being called a fraud and get angry about them being called a fraud. Easy.

That tendency towards crisis reporting has been exacerbated by the glamorisation of extreme opinion, a phenomenon that applies to far more important subjects than football. ‘Twitter reacts’ has become an undeserving but common headline, media outlets plumping for sensational negative sells and then raising their hands to say ‘Not me, guv’. ‘Liverpool players accused of bottling Premier League title race by angry fans after dropping points against West Ham’ was one Tuesday offering, to stick with the original Liverpool example.

Social media has enabled antisocial people to become social. Someone who would normally have had an outrageous opinion dismissed can now find like-minded (and often anonymous) individuals who share it. When those opinions are given undue prominence (as in this BBC example), they inevitably propagate.

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The Premier League and media have provided the petri dish, but the nature of football support itself seems to have changed. Tribalism continues to grow to the extent that many take any praise for an opposition club as blasphemy of their own, and the anger of these people is extraordinary. Journalists and writers joke about it (and I’m taking out my small violin here), but appalling personal abuse is received for accused bias against every top six team. Crucially, this extremism becomes self-fulfilling. Self-centredness breeds isolation, isolation breeds more anger and anger breeds further self-centredness.

I distinctly remember Sheffield Wednesday supporters applauding Nottingham Forest’s goals in a 7-1 win at Hillsborough in 1995, and sections of Forest’s support doing the same during a 5-1 defeat to Blackburn Rovers the following season. It is hard to imagine that happening now as football has increasingly become A Very Serious Business. Fans have become defined not by their love of the game or support of their team, but their angry defence of their own narrow views on both.

In November, Kick It Out reported a rise in discriminatory abuse of 11% from 2016/17 to 2017/18, with reports of racism up 22%. Last week, sports minister Mims Davies announced an urgent meeting with football leaders to tackle the issue of growing discrimination. As the anger noticeably rises, it is hard not to make a correlation between a growth in football tribalism and growth in unacceptable abuse.

Even away from the worst elements of supporters, a general mania exists that is enough to give you a migraine. Melodrama and hysteria now come as standard as clubs and managers lurch between crisis and glory like a runaway train and supporters delight in both according to their loyalties. No longer is it enough to wait until the end of the season for medals and trinkets to be handed out. Why bother, when you can scream and scream and scream until you’re sick after every match. And you can.

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Over the next 15 weeks, one of the best title races in years will play out. We have the champions Manchester City, whose financial advantage puts pressure on them defending their crown. We have Liverpool under the magnanimous Klopp, who have lost once all season and will return to the top of the table once more if they beat Bournemouth at home, despite the bed-wetting from some supporters. We have Tottenham, punching above their financial weight and five points off the top, an undoubted feel-good story.

Twenty years ago, supporters of those three clubs would have hoped and prayed and prayed and hoped. If they had fallen short, the journey would have been appreciated and admired. The rest of us would have sat back and enjoyed the show. Everything felt positive, still a soap opera but one that meant nothing as well as everything.

Is the same true in 2019, or has the ‘nothing’ been lost? Were Everton ‘bottlers’ in 1986 for allowing a rampant Liverpool to creep past them? Was Alex Ferguson a ‘fraud’ because Manchester United failed to beat West Ham on the final day in 1995? Were Arsenal chokers because they lost to Leeds in May 1999? Or did we commiserate the losers but remember the winners?

This could be the first Premier League title race that will be defined by those who miss out rather than those who win, and people are itching to pour scorn on those who miss out. Be victorious, and you shall rise as a knight. Fall short, and you are destined for a lifetime of fraud-itude.

Daniel Storey

[Shaggy]

I mean, I didn't want to see Lallana in the team but that is spot on. It is really tiresome. I know people who think Klopp should be sacked if we don't win it. What planet do these people live on?

[rodo]

city come across as very arrogant to me and i have gone off guardiola big time and it will give me a great deal of satisfaction when we win it as I actually think we will I have a feeling monday will be a line in the sand and we will push on big time from here

[Tribute]

We need to regain some confidence and fluidity in our attacking play in games - something we seem to have lost in the recent games against Leicester and West Ham. City are by no means guaranteed to win all their games, but you know that on current form they're more likely to brush Chavs, Utd and Spurs aside better than we will.

Like some, I'm desperate for us to win it. It's been a ridiculous amount of time to wait. It's also nice to not be worried about fourth so much.

The biggest downer in all this is twenty-something Citeh fans in workplaces across the country thinking they're the bees knees and lauding LFC as bottling it again after two draws. They were most likely still ****ting up their backs in nappies when Hughes's City was garbage... The oil money brings a sense of sheer arrogance and entitlement to these ****ers that I've not seen since the start of the Abrahmovich era with the Chavs.

Citeh fans are now far and away the biggest cunts in the Premier League. Chavs, Bitters and Utd fans all pale into insignificance by comparison...


3 points, a few goals, a clean sheet and fluid football would make the world seem a brighter place on Saturday...

[Lecter]

I mean, I didn't want to see Lallana in the team but that is spot on. It is really tiresome. I know people who think Klopp should be sacked if we don't win it. What planet do these people live on?

[Chris]

It's a good piece and hopefully calms some of the morons spamming every match thread with "bottlers" and other such nonsense.

While I enjoy taking the piss out of Spurs and stuff it is a bit crazy how no sportsperson or team can seemingly lose now without being called chokers or whatever. There are definite times it happens in individual and team sports but I'm not sure 2 draws is proof of that.

city come across as very arrogant to me and i have gone off guardiola big time and it will give me a great deal of satisfaction when we win it as I actually think we will I have a feeling monday will be a line in the sand and we will push on big time from here

They seem to think they've won it already and the snide digs at us are relentless. Horrible little club. I'm not sure there will ever be a more fun trophy to win than this one. Istanbul was great but if we win this there are so many cunts I'm going to laud it over. "Liverpool fans will be unbearable if they win it". Damn right and it's the cunts who have spent all season whining about us being unbearable and Salah and everything else that are going to make us unbearable. I can't wait.

[Phoenix07]

I mean, I didn't want to see Lallana in the team but that is spot on. It is really tiresome. I know people who think Klopp should be sacked if we don't win it. What planet do these people live on?

I'd love them to name a manager they'd want to come in to replace Klopp.

Really, I would.