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    Originally posted by Norbs View Post
    Bravo would be available for this weekend's game
    Yeah sorry I should have said in the next CL match.
    Me, I’m either planning a holiday or I’m on one.

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      Liverpool v Man City: Why Premier League title rivals are 'near perfect'
      By Duncan Alexander

      Opta

      Liverpool and Manchester City are set to renew their rivalry this weekend as the champions of Europe and the champions of England meet at Anfield.

      League leaders Liverpool are six points ahead of their north-west rivals but both sides have elevated themselves to a state of "near perfection" in recent years.

      Are we set for the highest-quality Premier League game ever? We take a closer look before the top-of-the-table encounter.

      Perfection
      For an hour or so last Saturday it looked like both Liverpool and Manchester City were going to lose. The last time that happened on the same Premier League weekend, let alone the same day, was December 2016.

      The two clubs have since elevated themselves to a new plateau, one where dropping points is no longer an option. In the world of the sub-two-hour marathon, the Premier League is now a nine-month sprint.

      Part of the anticipation about this weekend's fixture is that we are firmly in the midst of a genuine duopoly at the top of the table, something that harks back to some of the greatest periods in the history of the competition.

      From Manchester United's battles with Newcastle and Arsenal in the 1990s to Jose Mourinho's ultimately successful attempt to dethrone Arsenal's Invincibles in the 2000s, two club mini-rivalries have lit up the league. Many of the early duopolies live on in our hearts because of the mind games they inspired.

      The country is about to embark on its second general election since Liverpool last lost a league game at Anfield

      Kevin Keegan telling Alex Ferguson that "he's got to go to Middlesbrough and get something" came about precisely because in the 1990s it wasn't that unlikely that a title challenger could take their eye off the ball and drop points in a supposedly easy fixture.

      But what City and Liverpool have done in the past couple of years is ramp up their consistency to such a level that there's little point goading the rival manager.

      Pep Guardiola's comments about Sadio Mane and diving last weekend were possibly the closest the Klopp/Guardiola rivalry has come to this, and it's probably not a coincidence that it happened on a day when Liverpool looked like they might finally be about to lose.

      For fans of the two clubs these are glorious times but for everyone else, a little more inconsistency, a little more jeopardy and, therefore, a little more needle between the managers, would probably not go amiss.

      No code has to be inserted here.
      Perfection Part II
      If you're going to be as consistent as City and Liverpool have been then the numbers should back you up. And they do.

      The three highest pass-completion rates recorded in Premier League history are 89% by Manchester City in 2017-18, 89% by Manchester City in 2018-19 and 89% by Manchester City in 2019-20, while the four highest average possession rates in Premier League history are the four seasons City have spent under Pep Guardiola.

      The country, meanwhile, is about to embark on its second general election since Liverpool last lost a league game at Anfield. In reverse order, the visiting managers to win there in the Klopp era are Sam Allardyce, Paul Clement, Louis van Gaal and Alan Pardew.

      That doesn't just seem like a long time ago, it feels like another dimension. The German's mentality men continue to run through concrete walls and heave out wins in the face of certain defeat.

      Since the start of last season, Liverpool have claimed 26 points from losing positions, more than 10% of the division's total in that period. The greatest trick the Reds ever pulled was convincing people that Manchester United are the masters of the late-goal comeback when the truth was staring us in the face all along.

      Perfection Part III

      Liverpool's Possession Value



      So we've seen the outcome of Liverpool and Manchester City's near-perfection but who are the players making the difference?

      Fortunately there's a new Opta metric out for 2019-20 called Possession Value which credits individual players based on their positive and negative contributions, wherever they are on the pitch and whatever their roles.

      Starting with Liverpool, it's satisfying to see the numbers conform almost perfectly to how everyone has assessed Klopp's system.

      The front three of Mane, Mohamed Salah and Roberto Firmino (in that order) have the highest net possession value contribution, while the two full-backs, Andy Robertson and Trent Alexander-Arnold, have the highest number of positive actions, although the right-back also has the highest number of negative actions too.

      This isn't a bad thing, though, simply a reflection of his role in the side.

      The England man has already made 100 unsuccessful crosses and corners in the Premier League this season, 12 more than Norwich have as a team, yet after Divock Origi's second goal against Barcelona in last season's Champions League semi-final, no-one can question Alexander-Arnold's delivery credentials.

      For City, one man stands out and it's Riyad Mahrez. The Algerian has not featured in the Premier League since the defeat by Wolves but his net impact dwarfs his team-mates' and everyone at Liverpool too.

      That said, Mahrez was ultimately the reason City did not win in this exact fixture last season, wasting a late penalty after Leroy Sane had been brought down by Virgil van Dijk.

      If given an opportunity to make amends on Sunday, these numbers suggest he could well do so. The other selection concern for Guardiola is David Silva, who had to be substituted at half-time on Saturday.

      The possession value framework, though, has him fairly low down. Bernardo Silva would, it seems, be a far bigger loss. Lastly, compare the City full-backs to Liverpool's.

      Nominally they play in the same position but in reality it's a completely different role, despite Kyle Walker's heroics against Southampton. It doesn't really need restating but Sunday's game really is a clash of two distinct approaches to the game, devised in turn by arguably the two best football managers on the planet.

      Oh I don't know.

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        Mo getting his practice in for the last home game of the season

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          Originally posted by Liverpool View Post
          Mo getting his practice in for the last home game of the season



          I see he's still in special training to restrengthen his ankle after that despicable act of Choudhousery

          Pretty sure City will target his ankle early on. Can see Mendy steaming in on him.

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            14 games in 50 or so days as from the City game. That's one hell of a tough schedule.
            Are we winning?

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              Leicester one up against Arsenal and heading into second place.
              Oh I don't know.

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                Leicester 2up....City falling down the table

                Need to be beating them tomorrow
                "I will make the boys feel your support"
                Jurgen Klopp June 2020

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                  I really wanted Arsenal to get something here but it was unlikely.

                  Top four adrift by 8 now and I can't that changing.

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                    Dunno why you are so arsed about Leicester, not gonna finish anywhere near us.

                    They are ending any hope of Tottenham and Utd getting CL so them winning is all good with me.

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                      Spidey senses are tingling. They are flying under the radar and if they can keep key players fit I think they are in it. Flat track bullies that'll pick up plenty of points I reckon.

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                        Originally posted by labourRed View Post
                        I really wanted Arsenal to get something here but it was unlikely.

                        Top four adrift by 8 now and I can't that changing.
                        Aye......allowing myself to look ahead down the fixtures last week, the one game that stood out as pretty ****ing annoying, was the one against Leicester.
                        If we dont leave Qatar till the 22nd, we got this shower on the 26th away. Not an easy game, and if we are still unbeaten by then, and no reason we shouldn't, it's a wee bit of a banana skin.
                        We more or less mullered them at Anfield, but we still took our eye of things and almost got caught out, but they're handy enough to cause issues.
                        Last edited by McDermotX; 09-11-19, 08:15 PM.
                        "I will make the boys feel your support"
                        Jurgen Klopp June 2020

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                          Originally posted by labourRed View Post
                          Spidey senses are tingling. They are flying under the radar and if they can keep key players fit I think they are in it. Flat track bullies that'll pick up plenty of points I reckon.
                          They are defo a good side but are going to have to go 90 points plus to even bother us, probably 95+ to have a hope of finishing above us. Just can't see them getting to them sort of levels. There is so much dog **** in this league to feast on I suppose you never know though, Godgers is good.

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                            Arsenal on a minus goal difference.
                            Oh I don't know.

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                              Originally posted by Chris View Post
                              They are defo a good side but are going to have to go 90 points plus to even bother us, probably 95+ to have a hope of finishing above us. Just can't see them getting to them sort of levels. There is so much dog **** in this league to feast on I suppose you never know though, Godgers is good.
                              Ach, here... If they lose Vardy for a few months or we lose Mane and Salah for a similar time (touch wood) it all could change quickly. I think they could finish in the mid eighties and we should see off that kinda challenge based on this and last season but it's not a perfect science.

                              It'd be annoying getting in a foot race with them when we're ****ing off anywhere in Europe and the middle east while they are dicking around in a pool in Marbella or some ****.

                              Anyway, Arsenal are ****ing ****e, so they weren't dropping points there.

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                                Originally posted by labourRed View Post
                                Ach, here... If they lose Vardy for a few months or we lose Mane and Salah for a similar time (touch wood) it all could change quickly. I think they could finish in the mid eighties and we should see off that kinda challenge based on this and last season but it's not a perfect science.

                                It'd be annoying getting in a foot race with them when we're ****ing off anywhere in Europe and the middle east while they are dicking around in a pool in Marbella or some ****.

                                Anyway, Arsenal are ****ing ****e, so they weren't dropping points there.
                                What a mess they are, ****ing hell. Pretty funny, these were the most arrogant set of cunts going when they were good.

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