Harvey Elliott

[BobTheCharmer]

It's an appropriate punishment imo. Hopefully will make the lad release he has to be careful in the future, as he becomes a bigger star etc. Nothing to see here.

[Exiled_red]

A little conflicted with this. One side of me is, he's a kid, we all do and say incredibly stupid stuff normally let alone when we were 16 years old. At the same time, he is in the public eye, like it or not that comes with additional responsibilities.

I don't like the retroactive nature of this, it's like you go out with your mates when you are 15 drink too much cider and start spouting **** about the world to which someone records. 15 years later you lose your partnership at a law practice because someone found that recording and published it online with the strapline, is this the kind of person we want representing our firm. I think new laws need to be put in place, and this will probably be unpopular .... to protect children from there content being published without there consent or them experiencing any blowback because of it

I am all for people behaving better but we need the bad aspects of society, personality etc in order to craft higher base standards of civility.

I'm so glad I didn't grow up in the era of everyone having mobile phones, taking video and posting on social media. As a teenager I know that I would have made alot of comments that I am not proud of and I wouldn't like posted on the Internet now. More or less everyone at school or that I knew at that age made comments at this kind of level. Looking back I'm not sure if it was because we were young or because society was different then, but alot of the day to day name calling that went on no-one (teachers or other adults) called out as being offensive (obviously it was name calling so we knew it wasn't exactly complimentary but no one ever said you had crossed a line). There were certain words that we knew we shouldn't use relating to racism, but that was about it.

I think that when looking at stuff retrospectively both age and societal norms of the time need to be considered. One of the big things about the media that I dislike is the assumption that because you held a view at one time you always hold that view, the "Is this the type of person we want..." stuff that you mention, while on other stuff changing your opinion is seen as a bad thing rather than being won over by a convincing argument.

In this case it wasn't that long ago, I don't think the societal norms have really changed in that time, but he was/still is a kid. The punishment is fairly minor, so not disproportionate. I get that the FA act on stuff like this now because a precident has been set, but I don't really like that they act on issues outside of football to be honest.

[RedReet]

It's an appropriate punishment imo. Hopefully will make the lad release he has to be careful in the future, as he becomes a bigger star etc. Nothing to see here.

It's a minor slap on the wrists and he'll hopefully learn from the experience.

[Irishnev]

I'm so glad I didn't grow up in the era of everyone having mobile phones, taking video and posting on social media. As a teenager I know that I would have made alot of comments that I am not proud of and I wouldn't like posted on the Internet now. More or less everyone at school or that I knew at that age made comments at this kind of level. Looking back I'm not sure if it was because we were young or because society was different then, but alot of the day to day name calling that went on no-one (teachers or other adults) called out as being offensive (obviously it was name calling so we knew it wasn't exactly complimentary but no one ever said you had crossed a line). There were certain words that we knew we shouldn't use relating to racism, but that was about it.

I think that when looking at stuff retrospectively both age and societal norms of the time need to be considered. One of the big things about the media that I dislike is the assumption that because you held a view at one time you always hold that view, the "Is this the type of person we want..." stuff that you mention, while on other stuff changing your opinion is seen as a bad thing rather than being won over by a convincing argument.

In this case it wasn't that long ago, I don't think the societal norms have really changed in that time, but he was/still is a kid. The punishment is fairly minor, so not disproportionate. I get that the FA act on stuff like this now because a precident has been set, but I don't really like that they act on issues outside of football to be honest.

[Angry Dan]

Seems an inconsistent approach here to me, when Declan Rice faced nothing for his pro IRA tweets

[ChesterDave]

I don't see them as similar to be honest. The similar ones for me would be Holgate and Choudhury. Gray as well but his punishment was more severe as he was much older

[BillobShaisley]

Or Suarez. His case clarified the way the rule works. It really doesn't matter about intent.

Do not under any circumstances make reference to protected characteristics in a negative context. Simples.

His apology was a bit **** too. Should just have apologised to Harry and everyone else who was offended or hurt by the comments. It was supposed to be in private and got carried away in the competition between Liverpool and Spurs, but that doesn't justify using such language. I am ashamed and sorry and hope to put it behind me. I've made a donation to some charities and will accept whatever punishment comes my way etc etc etc.

The 'not directed at anyone' bit undermines the rest of his manufactured contrition.
He's young and will have time to put this to bed, but will now be held to a higher standard. Let's hope there's no repeat.

[Fivex]

He did this while at Fulham so was nothing to do with LFC/Spurs rivalry

[dom9]

There's a LFC/Spurs rivalry?

[Fivex]

Well there is some rivalry yes since we compete in the same league, but I wouldn't say there's "a" rivalry as you put it, you massive pedant.

[BillobShaisley]

During a game you tend to pick sides, even if they aren't 'Your team'.

Anyway, I was just trying to point out how to apologise properly if you are in the public eye and got caught breaching the terms of your professional membership with aggravating factors.

Also get away from what people 'feel' is and isn't on and go to the rules that are being applied.

[brightred]

A little conflicted with this. One side of me is, he's a kid, we all do and say incredibly stupid stuff normally let alone when we were 16 years old. At the same time, he is in the public eye, like it or not that comes with additional responsibilities.

I don't like the retroactive nature of this, it's like you go out with your mates when you are 15 drink too much cider and start spouting **** about the world to which someone records. 15 years later you lose your partnership at a law practice because someone found that recording and published it online with the strapline, is this the kind of person we want representing our firm. I think new laws need to be put in place, and this will probably be unpopular .... to protect children from there content being published without there consent or them experiencing any blowback because of it

I am all for people behaving better but we need the bad aspects of society, personality etc in order to craft higher base standards of civility.

Well said

[Buzzo]

Youngest ever Liverpool player to start a game at Anfield at 16 years, 209 days.

[BigChief]

Youngest ever Liverpool player to start a game at Anfield at 16 years, 209 days.

Really looked it tonight.

[danperkins]

Top knot, love to shave his head ffs