Chelsea vs Liverpool - (FA Cup - 5th Round)

[greenturnip]

I have no idea what you mean either. It's about the initial position as much as about forward or backward movement over 5 yards. There was no challenge on Barkley because Fab had been booked. Nothing to do with intensity that one. Anyway, never mind. Communication is hard in 50 words.

[Lecter]

Barkley had a long way to run so we were pushing up. It's easy to dismiss this sort of 'soft' stuff...and just focus on mistakes and events that directly lead to goals....but when we score it never seems to be down to opposition mistakes...and how do we make sense of home advantage, which is real?

I have no ****ing idea what you are rambling on about with regards to all the bits after the first sentence

How were we pushing up when Gomez & Williams were backing off?

He ran 50 yards without a challenge that doesnt sound like a team pushing up to engage

[greenturnip]

I should add that our centre backs playing on the half way line is good when we're in possession - the opposition struggle to get out and fall deep - but it is risky. When we lose possession it is possible to exploit the space behind. It just needs a good team...and most of the EPL isn't good enough to exploit it.

[greenturnip]

Nah dont buy that

If its causing you to concede goals then fine but it isnt

In fact it could be argued that the 2nd goal for West Ham and the 2nd goal for Chelsea came from actively dropping off rather than moving up to engage higher up the field

Barkley had a long way to run so we were pushing up. It's easy to dismiss this sort of 'soft' stuff...and just focus on mistakes and events that directly lead to goals....but when we score it never seems to be down to opposition mistakes...and how do we make sense of home advantage, which is real?

[S-RED]

How was Williams, not read much about him

I know he is a right back, but i wish he could shoot straight.....

Thought he did ok, but Chelsea isolated him vs pedro constantly in 1st half & he looked a bit ragged

[baitman]

Minamino was 10 yards too far up the pitch so he wasnt able to link the play, needs to drop back and play as additional midfielder until we win possession.

[Lecter]

How was Williams, not read much about him

Average

[Norbs]

How was Williams, not read much about him

[Lecter]

True. He is 19 though, and he is above the youth team levels, but not perhaps at the standard for first team football.

Klopp did take risks when at Dortmund with using young players, and allowed them to iron out their flaws, so I reckon he'll keep him for next season.

[Phoenix07]

I would have expected Jones to get 15-20 min cameos off the bench but most of our matches have been cliff hangers & for whatever reason Klopp hasn’t trusted him to come on to see us over the line. Now that we’re out of the cup I’m not sure that we’ll see much of him at all tbh.

True. He is 19 though, and he is above the youth team levels, but not perhaps at the standard for first team football.

Klopp did take risks when at Dortmund with using young players, and allowed them to iron out their flaws, so I reckon he'll keep him for next season.

[SB]

I think he needs more first team action now, as he's good enough for the youth levels, but there's the physicality and tempo of senior football he has to adjust too.

Whether that is a loan move, or more appearances in the first team with us, it remains to be seen. I'd favour keeping him here.

I would have expected Jones to get 15-20 min cameos off the bench but most of our matches have been cliff hangers & for whatever reason Klopp hasn’t trusted him to come on to see us over the line. Now that we’re out of the cup I’m not sure that we’ll see much of him at all tbh.

[Irishnev]

He was completely anonymous for me. Especially the first half. I literally forgot he was playing in the first half.

He is a kid though so we can expect that I guess.

He was neat and tidy without impacting the game so I can see how he didn't stand out. Lallana was similar and Fab is way off so the midfield in general was pretty poor

[Phoenix07]

He had a period in one of the halves were he looked half decent

I thought Gilmour completely bossed him when he got it other than that

I think Jones has a lot of potential, I am just not sure hes going to realise it with us, not sure his game suits us

I think he needs more first team action now, as he's good enough for the youth levels, but there's the physicality and tempo of senior football he has to adjust too.

Whether that is a loan move, or more appearances in the first team with us, it remains to be seen. I'd favour keeping him here.

[Lecter]

But this sort of thing can make a contribution to our downfall without directly leading to goals. It unsettles the whole team, seeing our defenders constantly running back to goal, scrambling, the keeper uncertain what to do, the crow gets up, more noise, nervousness, loss of confidence in us, more confidence in the opposition...

Nah dont buy that

If its causing you to concede goals then fine but it isnt

In fact it could be argued that the 2nd goal for West Ham and the 2nd goal for Chelsea came from actively dropping off rather than moving up to engage higher up the field

[greenturnip]

In the last few games how many goals have we conceded from a ball like that??

But this sort of thing can make a contribution to our downfall without directly leading to goals. It unsettles the whole team, seeing our defenders constantly running back to goal, scrambling, the keeper uncertain what to do, the crow gets up, more noise, nervousness, loss of confidence in us, more confidence in the opposition...