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    #16
    Originally posted by ChesterDave View Post
    Apart from the table - doing my nut in that is

    No code has to be inserted here.aaaaaaand relax
    I initially tried to put it in a table but it was putting everything I a single column for me. Not sure why
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      #17
      Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
      I initially tried to put it in a table but it was putting everything I a single column for me. Not sure why
      I do mine in Notepad. Just one tab to move across each column even if it looks out of line once you table it on here it works a treat. For theat first gap you can tab across or give it a heading like Player then tab but works the same. No idea how it would work to start from scratch in the reply box
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        #18
        Originally posted by ChesterDave View Post
        I do mine in Notepad. Just one tab to move across each column even if it looks out of line once you table it on here it works a treat. For theat first gap you can tab across or give it a heading like Player then tab but works the same. No idea how it would work to start from scratch in the reply box
        That was my problem, I thought there must be a way but couldn't figure it out
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          #19
          Easiest way imo is just to copy a block of cells over from Excel, then wrap in table tags:

          No code has to be inserted here.
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            #20
            Just thought I would revisit this thread given our recent midfield performances.

            I still feel that much of my OP still stands something doesn't look right either as a unit or with certain players individually. The midfield that we played yesterday was the most defensive we could probably put out but it let a 2 goal lead slip and was sliced through like a knife through butter. There isn't the pace or will in there to track runners, combined with giving the ball away too much, has got us into all kinds of problems recently.

            I know various people feel that things will improve if Thiago or Keita start regularly but these are the stats on the number of games players have started in midfield this season:

            No code has to be inserted here.Ok a couple of players have missed games through Covid rather than injury and others may have benefitted from the two dead rubber games in the CL but it is clear that we don't have a settled unit, which is a problem as players don't seem to know their jobs or don't seem capable of doing them. At best our midfield consists of Henderson, Fabinho +1. Fabinho is key to our side, but is only playing 6 out of every 10 games and we have no adequate cover for him.

            Henderson's form is nowhere near where it was a couple of years ago. Milner seems past it now he has been a great pro for us and has in the past been the guy that we bring on to see games out but he is constantly getting done for pace and giving away fouls and/or bookings I feel that this really has to be his last season as a player with us. Thiago looks for the most part quality when we can get him on the pitch, but he is capable of brain fart moments and there are questions over the defensive side of his game, similar story with Keita looks quality in possession, out of possession less so. Ox seems to have his moments but until he has one you feel he can be anonymous. Elliott, Jones and Morton haven't really had enough games this year to tell where they are at. The former 2 through injury. Elliott was really unlucky as he was looking like he might start to establish himself, Jones has been frustrating as he looked decent last year and I was hoping he would push on this year but that hasn't happened.

            I really feel we have some big decisions to make in the summer (I don't see anything happening in this window) we need to bring in at least a couple of players and ship out 2 or 3, we need to get over the idea that somebody is a top player when they play if the stats are suggesting that they are only able to play 30-40% of the time.
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              #21
              Fabinho and Thiago are at a different level to the rest. Jones, Elliott and maybe Gordon are promising squad options to challenge for starts. The rest are not of the necessary quality (or availability with Keita), and are expensive to employ and should be replaced.
              Last edited by Kenneth; 03-01-22, 12:50 PM.
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                #22
                Injuries this season not including Covid.

                Fab - 0 games
                Hendo - 3 games
                Milner - 0 games
                Ox - 0 games
                Keita - 0 games
                Jones - 15 Games
                Thiago - 10 Games
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by kev776 View Post
                  Injuries this season not including Covid.

                  Fab - 0 games
                  Hendo - 3 games
                  Milner - 0 games
                  Ox - 0 games
                  Keita - 0 games
                  Jones - 15 Games
                  Thiago - 10 Games
                  I don't know where those come from but I am dubious about what they include, Fabinho hasn't missed all the games he's been out for with Covid, there has been knocks or slight injuries etc. I'm fairly sure that Milner missed games through injury. Also the likes of Ox and Keita amongst others haven't played because they haven't been fit, in terms of coming back from injury etc which is IMO similar to being out injured.
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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
                    I don't know where those come from but I am dubious about what they include, Fabinho hasn't missed all the games he's been out for with Covid, there has been knocks or slight injuries etc. I'm fairly sure that Milner missed games through injury. Also the likes of Ox and Keita amongst others haven't played because they haven't been fit, in terms of coming back from injury etc which is IMO similar to being out injured.
                    They are from transfermarkt injury lists and are true according to them, I posted them to show that percentages played is different to availability. Keita for example has actually missed fewer games through injury than Henderson since he arrived. It's not his fault Henderson is prefered.

                    Ox hasn't missed a game through injury this season but hasn't been selected for most, difficult if Hendo/Fab/Thiago are fit.

                    Statistics eh! which ones to believe.
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by kev776 View Post
                      They are from transfermarkt injury lists and are true according to them, I posted them to show that percentages played is different to availability. Keita for example has actually missed fewer games through injury than Henderson since he arrived. It's not his fault Henderson is prefered.

                      Ox hasn't missed a game through injury this season but hasn't been selected for most, difficult if Hendo/Fab/Thiago are fit.

                      Statistics eh! which ones to believe.
                      Obviously there is a difference between when players start and when they are available, the numbers I posted are the number of games people started. The players who didn't start aren't taken into account, they could be fit and on the bench or left out, injured have Covid or whatever. Even if they are on the bench they may be ghr only be fit enough to play 20/45/60mins and that's why they didn't start. That applies in the case of Ox and Keita in particular.

                      The Injury stats don't include time where players are back from injury but not fully fit.
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
                        Obviously there is a difference between when players start and when they are available, the numbers I posted are the number of games people started. The players who didn't start aren't taken into account, they could be fit and on the bench or left out, injured have Covid or whatever. Even if they are on the bench they may be ghr only be fit enough to play 20/45/60mins and that's why they didn't start. That applies in the case of Ox and Keita in particular.

                        The Injury stats don't include time where players are back from injury but not fully fit.
                        I get what you mean but I'm certain Klopp would not even bench you if you haven't trained 100% hence the reason so many miss the cut, so I can't imagine any player being put on the bench if they are only capable of 20/45 or 60 mins. He would rather have fit rezzies than unfit first choice.
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by kev776 View Post
                          I get what you mean but I'm certain Klopp would not even bench you if you haven't trained 100% hence the reason so many miss the cut, so I can't imagine any player being put on the bench if they are only capable of 20/45 or 60 mins. He would rather have fit rezzies than unfit first choice.
                          Looking at Ox and alot of the games he has been on the bench for particularly earlier in the season there's no way he was fit to play 90 it has applied to others to. I think with 9 players on the bench you can afford to do that now.
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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
                            Looking at Ox and alot of the games he has been on the bench for particularly earlier in the season there's no way he was fit to play 90 it has applied to others to. I think with 9 players on the bench you can afford to do that now.
                            we have to agree to disagree, Ox might look like a lardy lazy arse but if he has properly trained he will be selected or on the bench, not trained, no place on either. They cost too much to mess with their fitness.
                            Last edited by kev776; 03-01-22, 05:09 PM.
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                              #29
                              I think whatever the reasons for people not starting games the main problem is that we don't have a settled midfield where everyone knows their job, the constant shuffling means that our midfield functions in different ways.
                              i. e. A midfield of Fabinho, Henderson and Thiago has a different balance from. A midfield of Fabinho, Henderson and Keita and different again from Fabinho, Henderson and Milner etc. We were at our best when the midfield was fairly well settled, we made changes from. Time to time but we had runs of games with the same 3.We have barely been able to string 2 or 3 games with the same midfield together this year. Everyone's role changes slightly depending on who they are playing alongside and forme that is a big part of the problem.
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                                #30
                                We need to put the brakes on being a retirement home for aging midfielders and sign some good players that can perform in the Premier League and stay healthy.

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