In or out?

[spud_gun]

****ing hell. I struggled to give up tabs and I hadn’t been on a 40 plus year emotional rollercoaster with them. They were literally killing me.

I’ll bet every club had threads like this full of idealists. How easy will it be to cut ties? To divorce. To not care when previously you cared a lot (yeah you bet we did).

The idealist in me says that will be it. The realist in me says the kids are vested in this, how easy will it be to convince them (that said they are fully clued up in such things). We go and watch Hearts already so I guess Od try to focus on that.

I hope it doesn’t happen.

The game is already ****ed and this news just confirms it. You’ve got to cheat to compete.

i also take my kids to see our local amateur team

50 of us there on Saturday to see a glorious 1 - 1 draw

[RedReet]

Here is a question for you.

What do we do about the insane levels of entitlement from fans, which has become normalised in the past ten years?

Every year, there can be one winner of each trophy. Last year we won two out of four, and came second in the other two. And people still complained. A lot. That is mental.

Spurs fans booed their team off at half time. They are Spurs and started the day in third place. What exactly are they expecting?

Whilst there is a major issue in the way that football clubs are owned, I don't think there is enough debate on the seriously unhealthy levels of fan entitlement that has become the norm.

No one should expect to win the league year after year. And it should be expected that all teams go through periods of transition. City have distorted not just club finances but fan perception too. To the point where a lot of people regularly do a bunch of mental gymnastics to justify their implicit support for things which they would in no way have considered otherwise.

The reasons to stop following football grow by the day. And I for one, don't intend to watch a minute of the World Cup.

I wrote a similar post on the exact same subject, entitlement, when many fans were saying FSG should sell the club if they can't meet Salah's demands. Unsurprisingly, many of those fans were also saying a month or so that FSG ****ed up by giving in to Salah.

I didn't bother posting at the time, but glad someone has.

[danperkins]

Interesting thread, can you imagine if big oil bought us, other fans would have a field day & we would called all hypocrites given how outspoken we've been about the other big spenders.

Tricky situation, personally I wouldn't want it but we do need to spend to compete. Anyone that has accumulated that amount of wealth has stepped on necks to get there, don't think there are many nice guys at that level of wealth.

[Doc_Piptorious]

I would be torn as won't be easy to ignore the club that I have followed since 1977 but would have to take that stance against any murderous regime & give my full support to my local team, Bohemians here in Dublin.

Your poor *******. Nobody should be forced to do that.


I, on the other hand, could just drive 30 minutes and continue to enjoy the free flowing beautiful football served up by Cork City FC.

Taking a few liberites there with words like free flowing and football.

Though I am a member of FORAS (Cork City is fan owned) and am fascinated how it would translate onto a much bigger stage in a league like the PL (I know it is in operation in other countrues)

[Doc_Piptorious]

Maybe. But it's definitely a massive problem in football, and it's getting worse.

Cannot disagree.

[Angryred]

I would be torn as won't be easy to ignore the club that I have followed since 1977 but would have to take that stance against any murderous regime & give my full support to my local team, Bohemians here in Dublin.

[dom9]

Unfortunately that level of entitlement you speak of is not just a footy thing, and instead is a societal issue.

It is all I want it, I want it now and I do not want to put in any effort to get it.

Maybe. But it's definitely a massive problem in football, and it's getting worse.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Here is a question for you.

What do we do about the insane levels of entitlement from fans, which has become normalised in the past ten years?

Every year, there can be one winner of each trophy. Last year we won two out of four, and came second in the other two. And people still complained. A lot. That is mental.

Spurs fans booed their team off at half time. They are Spurs and started the day in third place. What exactly are they expecting?

Whilst there is a major issue in the way that football clubs are owned, I don't think there is enough debate on the seriously unhealthy levels of fan entitlement that has become the norm.

No one should expect to win the league year after year. And it should be expected that all teams go through periods of transition. City have distorted not just club finances but fan perception too. To the point where a lot of people regularly do a bunch of mental gymnastics to justify their implicit support for things which they would in no way have considered otherwise.

The reasons to stop following football grow by the day. And I for one, don't intend to watch a minute of the World Cup.

Unfortunately that level of entitlement you speak of is not just a footy thing, and instead is a societal issue.

It is all I want it, I want it now and I do not want to put in any effort to get it.

[Doc_Piptorious]

depends on what lengths you go to support the club...but your interest will remain

If one of the human right abusing states bought the club, I would then grow to see the club as just an extension of that state.

With a club a person follows and had done so for years it would probably be akin to the break up of a relationship in many ways.


But if the club as I knew it was gone, the interest in it would hopefully eventually go completely as well.

[RichC]

Here is a question for you.

What do we do about the insane levels of entitlement from fans, which has become normalised in the past ten years?

Every year, there can be one winner of each trophy. Last year we won two out of four, and came second in the other two. And people still complained. A lot. That is mental.

Spurs fans booed their team off at half time. They are Spurs and started the day in third place. What exactly are they expecting?

Whilst there is a major issue in the way that football clubs are owned, I don't think there is enough debate on the seriously unhealthy levels of fan entitlement that has become the norm.

No one should expect to win the league year after year. And it should be expected that all teams go through periods of transition. City have distorted not just club finances but fan perception too. To the point where a lot of people regularly do a bunch of mental gymnastics to justify their implicit support for things which they would in no way have considered otherwise.

The reasons to stop following football grow by the day. And I for one, don't intend to watch a minute of the World Cup.

Good to see you post Dom & a good post !

[dom9]

How do you stop following/supporting the club you have followed for decades...it's an initial reaction but everyone will still support the club in some way... How else is Klopp supposed to challenged on par with City/chelsea and newcastle

Here is a question for you.

What do we do about the insane levels of entitlement from fans, which has become normalised in the past ten years?

Every year, there can be one winner of each trophy. Last year we won two out of four, and came second in the other two. And people still complained. A lot. That is mental.

Spurs fans booed their team off at half time. They are Spurs and started the day in third place. What exactly are they expecting?

Whilst there is a major issue in the way that football clubs are owned, I don't think there is enough debate on the seriously unhealthy levels of fan entitlement that has become the norm.

No one should expect to win the league year after year. And it should be expected that all teams go through periods of transition. City have distorted not just club finances but fan perception too. To the point where a lot of people regularly do a bunch of mental gymnastics to justify their implicit support for things which they would in no way have considered otherwise.

The reasons to stop following football grow by the day. And I for one, don't intend to watch a minute of the World Cup.

[Shaggy]

I know quite a few United fans who jibbed it when the Glazers took over - some a few years later. Some replaced it with completely different/new interests, some started going to and getting involved with FC United, some started watching our local non-league club (North West Counties Premier Division). It's definitely doable, even if it would be difficult, and even a bit painful and sad.

[Buzzo]

Yep - sadly a load of 40 plus year old sad sacks who barely have a single member going to the game quitting probably doesn’t change much. The club is a global concern, and, even more sadly I’ll bet a vast majority of the supporters (let’s say the new supporters) would give a ****.

It’s the Legacy support that want to follow the ideal.

[Bender]

If blood money is the only way anyone can consistently compete, then it's become a sport that holds no appeal for me. That's how I'd walk away. Like Pepe said anyway, it's been a gradual erosion of love for the game. Nearly everything about it stinks. I'm not pretending it would be easy, can't just turn it off like a tap, but I would want out and I don't think I'd have much trouble in walking away.

Yep this is more the point i was trying to make ..i mean if you regularly go to watch games then yeah giving up that is the most obvious way ... FWIW Klopp would also stand down if we got owners as mentioned in your post...But the game has gone as we all knew it as kids

[Buzzo]

I wonder what the reaction at the ground would be if there was oil money interest? That visible support have far more influence than the likes of us.