PNE's David Nugent

[lfc4ever]

Like Dean Ashton maybe?

If we don't give these lads a chance we may regret it later - as is the case in point with Ashton.

How much cash should we punt on these chances then? How many should we give a chance too?

I'm all for giving youngsters a chance in the youth teams & ressies, but not 1st teamers, we can't gamble our future and the players future to give players a chance, I prefer to have the final polished product brought in to do a good job from the off, and that we develop youth players to come through the system.

[Howard_lfc]

How much cash should we punt on these chances then? How many should we give a chance too?

I'm all for giving youngsters a chance in the youth teams & ressies, but not 1st teamers, we can't gamble our future and the players future to give players a chance, I prefer to have the final polished product brought in to do a good job from the off, and that we develop youth players to come through the system.

You pay the going rate. Simple. If it fails then sell him back to another championship club for around the same amount.

So you don't want youngsters playing in the first team? How old was Fowler and Owen when they broke in? Were you happy then? They were hardly the 'final finished product'.

Most good teams have a balance of youth and experience - and most pundits will tell you that that is the best combination.

Anyway - you win nothing with kids! Doh!

[animal magic]

nugent would cost around £5-6million

[lfc4ever]

You pay the going rate. Simple. If it fails then sell him back to another championship club for around the same amount.

So you don't want youngsters playing in the first team? How old was Fowler and Owen when they broke in? Were you happy then? They were hardly the 'final finished product'.

Most good teams have a balance of youth and experience - and most pundits will tell you that that is the best combination.

Anyway - you win nothing with kids! Doh!

You miss my point, I'm all for youth coming through, Nugent is far from youth and shouldn't be given the chance, until he makes it, he just isn't there, christ we bought PL players this year and even they are not at the required level, no point in going further down a level or two, we need the finished product to come in on all guns firing and up & running, not chances, and we have enough to do giving our youth the chance to come through, and as I said, we spend enough elsewhere rather than on expensive Championship chances, we buy for £5M, if he doesn't make we'd be lucky to get £2M back wouldn't we, going on past experience, we would never get our outlay back, no chance!

[JRG]

I know him personally, a nice lad. I hear that Newcastle are interested in him. I don't know about him coming to Anfield, not because he's a blue, but because I'm not sure he could cut it.

[thesilverfoxlfc]

hmmm we now have champagne money so why buy lemonade

Exactly

We want TOP CLASS players NOW

[Howard_lfc]

You miss my point, I'm all for youth coming through, Nugent is far from youth and shouldn't be given the chance, until he makes it, he just isn't there, christ we bought PL players this year and even they are not at the required level, no point in going further down a level or two, we need the finished product to come in on all guns firing and up & running, not chances, and we have enough to do giving our youth the chance to come through, and as I said, we spend enough elsewhere rather than on expensive Championship chances, we buy for £5M, if he doesn't make we'd be lucky to get £2M back wouldn't we, going on past experience, we would never get our outlay back, no chance!

I don't miss the point at all. Look back - you said you wouldn't have youth players in the team. I disagree - if they're good enough that will do for me.

I cited Dean Ashton as an example of a player from The Championship who anybody could've bought for a reasonable amount and now he's worth 3 or 4 times that. Darren Bent is another one - initially cost Charlton £3m and now worth in the region of £10m according to Charlton. Nugent may fall into this same category. Gareth Bale and Giles are both very hot prospects from the Championship - but by your reasoning they're not the kind of player who we should be going after. A lot of people on here will disagree with that. Theo Walcott was another - undoubted quality but a bit raw/young; Wenger spent £13m on him and he doesn't throw his cash around willy nilly does he?

To say we shouldn't be buying players from lower league clubs is just wrong whichever way you look at it.

[Redspin]

You pay the going rate. Simple. If it fails then sell him back to another championship club for around the same amount.

So you don't want youngsters playing in the first team? How old was Fowler and Owen when they broke in? Were you happy then? They were hardly the 'final finished product'.

Most good teams have a balance of youth and experience - and most pundits will tell you that that is the best combination.

Anyway - you win nothing with kids! Doh!

I saw Fowler's debut at Fulham away in the league cup and he scored a sensational half-volleyed goal from a cross into the far top corner of the net. It had class stamped all over it. Owen's debut (Wimbledon away?) was also classy. Nugent looks like, well, a Preston North End player

[El Jefecito]

I don't miss the point at all. Look back - you said you wouldn't have youth players in the team. I disagree - if they're good enough that will do for me.

I cited Dean Ashton as an example of a player from The Championship who anybody could've bought for a reasonable amount and now he's worth 3 or 4 times that. Darren Bent is another one - initially cost Charlton £3m and now worth in the region of £10m according to Charlton. Nugent may fall into this same category. Gareth Bale and Giles are both very hot prospects from the Championship - but by your reasoning they're not the kind of player who we should be going after. A lot of people on here will disagree with that. Theo Walcott was another - undoubted quality but a bit raw/young; Wenger spent £13m on him and he doesn't throw his cash around willy nilly does he?

To say we shouldn't be buying players from lower league clubs is just wrong whichever way you look at it.

You make Ashton sound like some kind of superstar. He's an average 1 goal every 3 games striker. We need better than that. We don't care how much more we can sell for we want those that can perform on the pitch. Anyways we'll rarely get a good return on our players as leaving Liverpool is always a step down.

[lfc4ever]

I don't miss the point at all. Look back - you said you wouldn't have youth players in the team.

No I didn't.

[Redspin]

Like Dean Ashton maybe?

If we don't give these lads a chance we may regret it later - as is the case in point with Ashton.

Strangely enough, I somehow don't regret that we "missed" Dean Ashton. Run-of-the-mill decent enough player, but hardly top drawer

[Speedy]

Id be looking at the likes of Torres, Villa, Etoooo with the bit of money will get from the Sheiks

And Ronaldinho and Kaka and Rooney. Jesus christ, they're not magicians.

[Howard_lfc]

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I'm all for giving youngsters a chance in the youth teams & ressies, but not 1st teamers [QUOTE]

I think this is saying "I don't want young players in the first team" - but I may be wrong. Draw your own conclusions.

Re Dean Ashton: I didn't necessarily mean we missed the boat on him. The point I was trying to make was that loads of clubs could've taken a chance on him (but didn't) and now regret it as he's a decent player on the verge of an England call up.

There are most certainly players at lower levels who could cut it in the prem if they were only given a chance. Nugent may be one of them; along with Bale and Barnes. To say that we should only have the finished article in the first team is a load of bollox. How the feck are players supposed to gain first team experience of playing with a big club if they're not given the chance.

[AFII]

I agree with you Howard.

Houllier didn't give our youngsters any chance at all. He just signed player after player instead. Look what happened to our academy back then.

Our youngsters must feel that they have a chance to play for the first team one day or else you can close it down.

[lfc4ever]

[QUOTE=Howard_lfc;190745][QUOTE=lfc4ever;188656]
I'm all for giving youngsters a chance in the youth teams & ressies, but not 1st teamers

I think this is saying "I don't want young players in the first team" - but I may be wrong.

Yes, you are wrong.

I'm all for giving youth a chance in the youth teams & ressies before hopefully progressing to the 1st team.

I'm not for giving 1st teamers a chance, chances are too expensive, especially at £5M+, we need the finished article to be ready to compete for a 1st team place and ready to fire on all cylinders in the CL, let West Ham & Newcastle and other relegation fodder feeder clubs buy them and if they are that good, then one of the top teams will pick them off.

Gone are the halcyon days of olde of picking up bargain basement lads ready for the 1st team.