Rick Parry & David Moores

[AFII]

Oh, Christ, you again, with the same sort of drivel you used to come out with on the fat man's site.

Selling players is a decision made by the manager, not the chairman. Have a pop at Evans for the former and GH for the latter if you want, but they ain't Moores's fault.

And let's not forget that if you'd had your way, Parry would have picked up his P45 long ago so none of this DIC business would ever have happened.

In the Macca case it was a decision by our board and not the manager. Our board should have told Houllier that we can't afford to let Owen become bigger than the club. You MUST sell a player if he doesn't sign a new deal when he has two years left. A board can't allow the manager to take a decision like that.

As you know from my posts on Koptalk the main reason to why I wanted Moores out is that he isn't a businessman. You just have to look in the shop at the official site 10 months out of 12 and most things will be out of stock.

[BobSkinstad]

In the Macca case it was a decision by our board and not the manager. Our board should have told Houllier that we can't afford to let Owen become bigger than the club. You MUST sell a player if he doesn't sign a new deal when he has two years left. A board can't allow the manager to take a decision like that.

As you know from my posts on Koptalk the main reason to why I wanted Moores out is that he isn't a businessman. You just have to look in the shop at the official site 10 months out of 12 and most things will be out of stock.

Ah, ok, so you'd be happy with the board constantly interfering and undermining the manager, would you? Great. I hope you're prepared for life after Rafa if that happens.

The blame for the inadequacies of the club shop should be placed squarely on the chairman? WTF? Do you think there's no one in the food chain between the people on the tills and the man at the top?

[AFII]

Rafa have already showed in the Gerrard case that he will sell a player if he doesn't sign a new deal if he only have two years left on his contract.

Rafa won't allow any player to do what Owen did.

The only time our board interfered was in the Macca case as far as I know and they shouldn't have done that.

I don't know if you are happy with a board that tries to sell players without telling them.

[CAD]

what do you want Moores to do CAD? Stay or go?

Sorry Red Chilli. It was impossible for me to respond last night cause Mumsefan banned me just before you posted this.

I would like Moores to go....in 1998

Moores should have left no later than 98, when it became apparent for all, that he had completely missed the new wave in British football. How he have managed to do what he has done to LFC for 16 years and people here still think he did great, is one of the mysteries in life up there with, "Infinity" and "Can you fold space"?

His obvious lack of business talent and inept vision, has created the LFC we know today. You might say that football has changed. Of course it has. And it's a businessmans job to stay ahead and change with it.

How do you think a CEO in IBM or HP would have been remembered if he had done to chose companies what Moores has done to this club? I obviously know that there is a difference between the two but still, think about it. If you took over a fortune 10 company and it wasn't on the list 7 years after. You wouldn't even have been there after 3 years. The fact is that Moores would NOT have been a chairman in LFC if he hadn't owned the club. He would have been fired in 98 at the latest. He took over greatness and turned it into mediocrity.

He took over a club who was not only the biggest in England but also one of the biggest in the world and he failed to capitalize and come up with new strategies. We became yesterdays news and the Scum showed the way forward.

YES - Moores is a true Red!
YES - He has tried his best!
YES - He has probably done what he thought was best for the club.
YES - We won the big one in 05!
YES - There were obstacles with the ban from Europe, TV rights and Hillsborough hit us hard with Kenny leaving and all.

But was he talented enough as a leader - as a businessman? Did he bring LFC forward. Did he maximize the full potential that was LFC in 91?

1973 - 1990: John Smith, Chairman. Hired BOB!!! Paisley and everybody said he was nuts. There is a ****ing legend!!

[Red Chilli]

But do you want him to stay on now or sell up? It seems you don't want either which means he's in a no-win situation.

[BobSkinstad]

Rafa have already showed in the Gerrard case that he will sell a player if he doesn't sign a new deal if he only have two years left on his contract.

Rafa won't allow any player to do what Owen did.

The only time our board interfered was in the Macca case as far as I know and they shouldn't have done that.

I don't know if you are happy with a board that tries to sell players without telling them.

No, that's not ideal, as I said such decisions should be for the manager. By the way, how do you know that it was a board decision done behind Evans's back?

The Gerrard thing was more about Gerrard wanting to go to Chavsea than about Rafa being tough IMO.

I see you're still holding the chairman directly responsible for the club's merchandising arm.

Tell me, should Parry have picked up his P45 long ago?

[BobSkinstad]

How do you think a CEO in IBM or HP would have been remembered if he had done to chose companies what Moores has done to this club? I obviously know that there is a difference between the two but still, think about it. If you took over a fortune 10 company and it wasn't on the list 7 years after. You wouldn't even have been there after 3 years. The fact is that Moores would NOT have been a chairman in LFC if he hadn't owned the club. He would have been fired in 98 at the latest. He took over greatness and turned it into mediocrity.

Has David Moores ever been the CEO (or Chief Executive, if you prefer) of Liverpool FC? No, he hasn't. Why are you blathering on about IBM or HP? Why are you rambling about the Fortune 10? LFC is not a US company.

He took over a club who was not only the biggest in England but also one of the biggest in the world and he failed to capitalize and come up with new strategies. We became yesterdays news and the Scum showed the way forward.

How do you measure "biggest"?

But was he talented enough as a leader - as a businessman? Did he bring LFC forward. Did he maximize the full potential that was LFC in 91?

Again, the chairman is not solely responsible for the running of the club. There is a board. There is a chief executive. It's not a one man operation.

1973 - 1990: John Smith, Chairman. Hired Bill Paisley and everybody said he was nuts. There is a ****ing legend!!

Who the **** is Bill Paisley?

[CAD]

But do you want him to stay on now or sell up? It seems you don't want either which means he's in a no-win situation.

He has no choice, has he? We are commited to stadium plans which he can't afford. The Moores Foundation controlled by Granchester (who is 80 years old) doesn't want to invest. They want out! He has to sell now and that's a fact. People seems to think that John Moores gave the stocks to David Moores. Infact he gave them to the Moores foundation but chairmanship was given to the nephew David. Granchester and Peter Moores are looking at a handsome profit and people should not underestimate the influence they have when it comes to LFC being sold. This is not just about David Moores. That's what I gather anyway. Admittedly I'm out on a limb here but as far as I can see from the research I have done on this subjest that is the facts. The Moores foundation owns LFC and David Moores is the designated driver.

I want him to sell of course. I have wanted that for as long as I can remember.

I wonder how people will view his legacy in a few years...

EDIT: Compton Verney is set to become one of Britain's top arts attractions, thanks to Sir Peter Moores, 72. The youngest son of the late Sir John Moores, founder of the Littlewoods pools, stores and home shopping empire, he has given away £93m over the years. Some of the money has been devoted to turning the 18th-century Warwickshire mansion into an art gallery. That sort of expenditure is no problem for the Moores family, led by Grantchester, 78, Sir Peter's sister. The family sold Littlewoods, its retailing and mail order company based in Liverpool, to the Barclay twins (qv) in 2002 for £750m. They had already sold some stores in 1998 and the pools business in 2000; those proceeds and past dividends are worth £445m. The Moores have a £40m stake in Liverpool football club and other assets worth £20m. Knocking off Sir Peter's charitable donations leaves £1,162m.

[CAD]

Has David Moores ever been the CEO (or Chief Executive, if you prefer) of Liverpool FC? No, he hasn't. Why are you blathering on about IBM or HP? Why are you rambling about the Fortune 10? LFC is not a US company.

True - he hasn't been the CEO. But ultimately it's the chairman of the board who has the power to hire and fire. He has not been very good at his job and it has infested the entire organisation. Fortune 10 was only to give an example. I hoped you would appreciate
the effort...



How do you measure "biggest"?
I'll leave that to others. If you consider us in the league of Real, Barca, Milan, Juventus and United etc etc. thats your opinion.

Again, the chairman is not solely responsible for the running of the club. There is a board. There is a chief executive. It's not a one man operation.

As the owner and chairman I think it's only fair to place the ultimate responsibility at his doorstep.


Who the **** is Bill Paisley? Smart ass

[Mumsafan]

Sorry Red Chilli. It was impossible for me to respond last night cause Mumsefan banned me just before you posted this.

I would like Moores to go....in 1998

Moores should have left no later than 98, when it became apparent for all, that he had completely missed the new wave in British football. How he have managed to do what he has done to LFC for 16 years and people here still think he did great, is one of the mysteries in life up there with, "Infinity" and "Can you fold space"?

His obvious lack of business talent and inept vision, has created the LFC we know today. You might say that football has changed. Of course it has. And it's a businessmans job to stay ahead and change with it.

How do you think a CEO in IBM or HP would have been remembered if he had done to chose companies what Moores has done to this club? I obviously know that there is a difference between the two but still, think about it. If you took over a fortune 10 company and it wasn't on the list 7 years after. You wouldn't even have been there after 3 years. The fact is that Moores would NOT have been a chairman in LFC if he hadn't owned the club. He would have been fired in 98 at the latest. He took over greatness and turned it into mediocrity.

He took over a club who was not only the biggest in England but also one of the biggest in the world and he failed to capitalize and come up with new strategies. We became yesterdays news and the Scum showed the way forward.

YES - Moores is a true Red!
YES - He has tried his best!
YES - He has probably done what he thought was best for the club.
YES - We won the big one in 05!
YES - There were obstacles with the ban from Europe, TV rights and Hillsborough hit us hard with Kenny leaving and all.

But was he talented enough as a leader - as a businessman? Did he bring LFC forward. Did he maximize the full potential that was LFC in 91?

1973 - 1990: John Smith, Chairman. Hired BOB!!! Paisley and everybody said he was nuts. There is a ****ing legend!!

I didn't ban you.

[CAD]

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[AFII]

No, that's not ideal, as I said such decisions should be for the manager. By the way, how do you know that it was a board decision done behind Evans's back?

The Gerrard thing was more about Gerrard wanting to go to Chavsea than about Rafa being tough IMO.

I see you're still holding the chairman directly responsible for the club's merchandising arm.

Tell me, should Parry have picked up his P45 long ago?

I don't know if Parry should leave because he can only do what Moores tells him to do. Moores owns 51% of the club so every business decision must be decided by him. Our board can recommend what he should do but the final decision will be done by Moores.

[Mumsafan]

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It shouldn't have. It should have been 1 day in the sin bin that's all

[CAD]

It shouldn't have. It should have been 1 day in the sin bin that's all

Fair enough, if you deemed it necessary to take it to that level. I just think that MattShark might have been considered for the same 'honour', given that he started with the 'cocksucker business' in the first place.

Originally Posted by Mattshark
I wasn't crying, I just disagree with it

you are however a cocksucker.

But I guess his not a Skando, right

[Mumsafan]

Fair enough, if you deemed it necessary to take it to that level. I just think that MattShark might have been considered for the same 'honour', given that he started with the 'cocksucker business' in the first place.

Originally Posted by Mattshark
I wasn't crying, I just disagree with it

you are however a cocksucker.

But I guess his not a Skando, right

I didn't see his post saying that. He may not be a Skando but he is a wool